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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:33 am to Lakeboy7
Posted on 6/15/22 at 9:33 am to Lakeboy7
Good points, and, thanks, but Ukraine must also be running out of what we would consider to be well-trained ground combat personnel.
Your thought process for Ukraine victory is that Russia runs out of money to fight the war? They probably can't run out of manpower, BUT, yes, they could run out of money?
Your thought process for Ukraine victory is that Russia runs out of money to fight the war? They probably can't run out of manpower, BUT, yes, they could run out of money?
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:30 am to Coeur du Tigre
I get all of that, the route to get there takes a lot of time. Ukraine is applying a lot of force to that front.
FWIW, SOF units had destroyed Russian equipment at Kherson's airport a few months ago. Ability to get behind enemy lines is something Ukraine has done more than once.
Does Russia have the rule of thumb 3:1 advantage in the east? It is gaining some high ground in the east, and high ground still counts for a lot
FWIW, SOF units had destroyed Russian equipment at Kherson's airport a few months ago. Ability to get behind enemy lines is something Ukraine has done more than once.
Does Russia have the rule of thumb 3:1 advantage in the east? It is gaining some high ground in the east, and high ground still counts for a lot
Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:38 am to Champagne
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You seem certain that Russia's manpower superiority and strategy of attrition won't win this war.
The Ukrainians outnumber the Russian forces.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:38 am to Champagne
quote:Russia won’t run out of money but they are definitely running out of man power through attrition and refusal of service. They are also screwed on materials as nobody can sell them computerized components for their armor.
Russia runs out of money to fight the war? They probably can't run out of manpower, BUT, yes, they could run out of money?
Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:44 am to Lakeboy7
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It wont, and the :manpower" angle isnt there. Throwing untrained bodies in to the mix isnt working. That works when your opponent has low levels of training which is not the case here.
Ukraine has plenty of new recruits, but the army we trained is largely gone, the Ukrainians have suffered crippling casualties in their veteran units.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 11:33 am to RLDSC FAN
US to provide Ukraine with intelligence data for accurate multiple rocket launcher strikes
15 June, 05:48 PM
Looking for confirmation on this.
The New Voice of Ukraine
15 June, 05:48 PM
Looking for confirmation on this.
The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted on 6/15/22 at 11:44 am to Lima Whiskey
Assuming that
The situation in the ground does not reflect that
If the casualties were truly crippling, the news wouldn’t reflect seesawing control over disputed territory. Hindsight and historical study will ultimately determine where the truth lies, but the maps suggests that your analysis is unsupported.
quote:is accurate for the sake of the argument.
Ukraine has plenty of new recruits, but the army we trained is largely gone,
The situation in the ground does not reflect that
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Ukrainians have suffered crippling casualties in their veteran units.
If the casualties were truly crippling, the news wouldn’t reflect seesawing control over disputed territory. Hindsight and historical study will ultimately determine where the truth lies, but the maps suggests that your analysis is unsupported.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 11:45 am
Posted on 6/15/22 at 11:50 am to Lima Whiskey
If there’s anything we have learned from this war it’s that the common Russian infantry soldier is complete and utter dogshit and that in a real fight with another dog the same size they are would mean a complete disaster for the Russian military. It’s hilarious how much damage Ukraine has done to a so called superpower being outgunned as badly as they have been. Just goes to show you that invading another country for no reason is always a bad idea. The people will always rise up against the invaders. Russia looks like the dumb fricks that they are. Hopefully they can send another 100,000 coffins filled back to comrade Putin so shite like this never happens again from them.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 11:53 am to LSUPilot07
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If there’s anything we have learned from this war it’s that the common Russian infantry soldier is complete and utter dog shite and that in a real fight with another dog the same size they are would mean a complete disaster for the Russian military. It’s hilarious how much damage Ukraine has done to a so called superpower being outgunned as badly as they have been. Just goes to show you that invading another country for no reason is always a bad idea. The people will always rise up against the invaders. Russia looks like the dumb fricks that they are. Hopefully they can send another 100,000 coffins filled back to comrade Putin so shite like this never happens again from them.
Cope and Reassurance
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:13 pm to LSUPilot07
quote:No, the only thing we have learned from this war is that y’all are so pro-Russia/Putin and anti-West based on the fact that your positions are helping Russia and hurting the West…and y’all are continuing down that course still.
If there’s anything we have learned from this war
It is amazing how far y’all will go to help the Russian economy and hurt the US economy.
Bunch of Putinites.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:23 pm to Champagne
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I'm concerned that the USA is prolonging a war that Ukraine cannot win, thus causing further catastrophic increase in debt that the USA cannot pay for, AND thus causing further loss of life and destruction of property
I have this concern as well. Eventually the US/Europe need to provide more offensive weapons and anti aircraft to Ukraine or will start to push, perhaps tacitly, for a ceasefire.
I still largely believe the state of affairs as they stand come mid September will persist for years to come.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:25 pm to TBoy
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However, there is no reason to believe that Putin's successor will unwind this mess.
Yea I’m not sure Russian regime change is what anyone should be hoping for at the moment.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:30 pm to Athanatos
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the maps suggests that your analysis is unsupported.
That comment is based on the interviews with western trainers, one British soldier was interviewed in the Times last week, that have come out, and with the comments from Ukrainian soldiers returning from the front lines that have appeared in the media.
They talk about heavy casualties, on the low end 60%, in some cases 90%. That’s serious. The Ukrainians aren’t, perhaps can’t, rotate these units very frequently. Soldiers are getting a day or two of rest, before they’re being sent back to the front lines, where they’re conducting a static defense, against an enemy with an overwhelming firepower advantage, who can shell them with relative impunity.
When the war began, Ukraine’s best and certainly most experienced units were deployed in the Donbas, and because of the way the Ukrainians chose to fight, defending every inch of territory, they’ve been destroyed.
Ukraine has plenty of recruits to draw upon, they can replace their manpower losses, but they can’t replace the experience they’ve lost. The composition of the army has changed, and veterans now make up a small portion of the force.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:32 pm to Lima Whiskey
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This post was edited on 6/22/26 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:39 pm to ned nederlander
I don't think this will end in a stalemate. Something is going to happen that causes one side or the other to break. Ukraine loses its western backing and has to capitulate, Russia has a mutiny break out that spreads through the army, Putin dies or becomes incapacitated and an internal conflict ensues. Both sides are pretty fragile at this point and it wouldn't take much to tilt the balance decisively.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:39 pm to OMLandshark
Part of the billion dollar package includes cash for Ukrainian family's to purchase goods for the household. That's just straight theft from our own citizens. American tax dollars should be earmarked to help Americans here at home first!
Anyone that disagrees with that is a traitor to our country.
Anyone that disagrees with that is a traitor to our country.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:42 pm to SOSFAN
quote:Bruh, the people in this thread already hold and push positions that have not only been damaging to the USA itself, but have actively helped Russia.
Anyone that disagrees with that is a traitor to our country.
These people are nuts.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:43 pm to TBoy
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However, there is no reason to believe that Putin's successor will unwind this mess.
I wouldn't expect a Putin successor to pack up the army and go home. It's very possible though that two or more factions would vie for power, perhaps violently. That, of course would have major implications for the war effort.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:44 pm to SOSFAN
Ukraine needs to face up to the fact they are going to lose land to the commies. They need to sit down and work out an agreement immediately.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 12:45 pm to Jim Rockford
You may be right about this, but in the Donbas, in particular, I get the impression that you have two heavyweight boxers in the late rounds, both so punched out that neither is capable of a decisive knock out.
One or the other may go out with a whimper, not a bang.
One or the other may go out with a whimper, not a bang.
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