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Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:29 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:29 am to
Here's a good thread on the logistical dilemma the Russians have in Kherson currently.
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 6:38 am to
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“The US is willing to provide everything and – and to help Ukraine be successful,” Mr. Austin said during his visit to Thailand on 13 June answering the question whether the West is ready to meet Ukraine’s needs.


This is part of the problem. Tone down the US will do everything and pick up the US is helping substantially but we’re not getting much from our EU partners in Western Europe. Put these mfers under the spotlight to force their hand to do something to help themselves.
Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 6:55 am to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 7:10 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 15 June 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
After more than a month of heavy fighting, Russian forces now control the majority of Sieverodonetsk. Russia's urban warfare tactics, which are reliant on heavy use of artillery, have generated extensive collateral damage throughout the city.

Elements of Ukrainian Armed Forces, along with several hundred civilians, are sheltering in underground bunkers in the Azot Chemical Plant, in the city's industrial zone. Russian forces will likely be fixed in and around Azot whilst Ukrainian fighters can survive underground. This will likely temporarily prevent Russia from re-tasking these units for missions elsewhere.

• It is highly unlikely that Russia anticipated such robust opposition, or such slow, attritional
conflict during its original planning for the invasion.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 7:18 am to
There is a bridge from Russia to Crimea, but it is a roundabout way to get there.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 7:20 am to
Ukraine may not even exist in two years’ time – Medvedev

Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s Security Council, has questioned the future of Ukraine, on which Russia is waging war.

Source: Dmitry Medvedev on Telegram

Direct quote: "I saw a report that said Ukraine wants to get LNG (liquefied natural gas - ed.) from its overseas masters under lend-lease with payment for delivery in two years. Otherwise it will just freeze to death this winter.

Just a question. Who said that in two years Ukraine will even exist on the world map?

Not that the Americans care - they are so invested in their ‘anti-Russia’ project that everything else is trivial to them."

Why it matters: Dmitry Medvedev has thus admitted that Russia’s goal is the annihilation of Ukraine; that the cause of the war is not the people of Donbas, not the threat from NATO and definitely not imaginary "biolaboratories" and "nuclear developments".

Ukrayinska Pravda
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 7:23 am to
Mariupol resists: vehicles burnt, employee of Russian Emergenices Ministry killed
Wednesday, 15 June 2022, 10:59

Occupied Mariupol is actively resisting its Russian occupiers.

Source: Petro Andriushchenko, adviser to the mayor of Mariupol, on Telegram

Details: According to Andriushchenko, on 9 June, 2 tractors and 3 large truck trailers ‘suddenly’ burned down in the parking lot of the Russian Ministry of Emergencies on the Taganrog highway. Arson was said to be the cause.

On 11 June, on the eve of the celebration of the Day of Russia, an unknown person stabbed an employee of the Russian Ministry of Emergencies in the back in the crowd for humanitarian aid near the METRO store. The wound was fatal.

Quote: "The city does not accept the occupation. Passive resistance in the form of sabotage has entered the active phase. These are just confirmed facts. I can’t comment more for obvious reasons.

We tell you, baZtards. Start looking around. Retribution is near."

Ukrayinska Pravda
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 7:50 am to
Daily Military Update – June 15Daily Military Update – June 15

UAF patrol reported 10 kilometers from Kherson, possible partisan attack

Ukraine Armed Forces patrols were operating as close as 10 kilometers from the long-occupied port Kherson, as a possible partisan attack hit the center of the city, according to media reports and official statements made public on Wednesday, June 15.

Kyiv Post

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 7:58 am to
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There is a bridge from Russia to Crimea, but it is a roundabout way to get there.
Yes. The gist of the thread is that Russia's artillery/ammunition is a zero sum game. They are now faced with losing much of the Kherson Oblast, including the Crimean Canal and the road network between Crimea and the city of Kherson. To try to prevent this, they must transfer much of their artillery from the Donbas, including the associated support troops and transport. That could kill their efforts in the Donbas.

Here's the thread itself, addressing the recent Ukrainian advances in Kherson:
quote:

Russia simply has to fight here for Crimea to remain viable.

So, important reason # 1. This development forces Russia to move forces & more importantly refocus it's artillery ammo supply chain from Donbas to Kherson or risk losing Crimea's water.

Important reason #2 Filling the Russia-to-Kherson logistical supply line for the same daily rate of shell usage as Donbas requires more shells to fill all the transport between Russia & Kherson.

Important Reason #3 The Russian Army is on the horns of a dilemma. A decision to reinforce Kherson now will cause a logistical pause where neither Donbas nor Kherson will have enough shells and Ukraine knows it.

Important Reason #4 There are four key distances Russia has to keep Ukraine more than a) 15 km, & then b) 8 km from Downtown Kherson and the Nova Kakhovka dam [the northern terminus of the canal]. 15 km is the range where Ukraine's drone directed 122mm guns start killing Russian vehicles. 8 km is the range Ukrainian drone directed 125mm tank gun indirect fire starts doing the same thing.

Important reason #5 Russia has got to commit its airpower to the South right now, whatever decision it makes on artillery ammo, because of those four range numbers, & Ukraine knows this too. That is, Ukraine has pushed SF teams with mines, drones, mortars, ATGM, & MANPADS to work with Ukrainian Partisans in those southern areas, no matter the choice Russia makes.

Shaping operations are about giving your opponent nothing but bad or worse options. Ukraine seems to have a nasty one in progress.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 8:19 am
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:02 am to
Sounds like the Ukes have some pretty smart people doing the planning and strategizing.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:03 am to
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Sounds like the Ukes have some pretty smart people doing the planning and strategizing.
No doubt. However they have friends as well...
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:12 am to
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Sounds like the Ukes have some pretty smart people doing the planning and strategizing.

Yes, they’re called Americans.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:33 am to
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Yes, they’re called Americans.


Or weewee
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:38 am to
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Ukraine has pushed SF teams with mines, drones, mortars, ATGM, & MANPADS to work with Ukrainian Partisans in those southern areas, no matter the choice Russia makes

These SF teams will come into their own and be very effective in this fight for the Kherson region. Much of the Western training the Ukraine military got from 2015 to the outbreak of this war was focused on guerrilla warfare. No one expected the Russians to stink it up so badly, so the predictions were for an unconventional war behind the Russian lines. Different teams trained for different goals and targets, all using modern infantry weapons.

But the Ukrainians still have this training. We saw results to the north and east of Kviv in March/April when the Russians were forced to retreat. Since then, the Russians have placed their border to their backs in the Donbas and changed the nature of the fighting to their advantage with massed artillery supported by close and protected logistics and supply. In the Kherson fight, none of that will help and the Russians will suffer greatly from these SF attacks. I just hope there’s enough Go-Pros available to send us the videos.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:42 am to
I'm concerned that the USA is prolonging a war that Ukraine cannot win, thus causing further catastrophic increase in debt that the USA cannot pay for, AND thus causing further loss of life and destruction of property, which, I am convinced that the USA will pay to re-build, as part of a peace deal with Russia, after Russia wins the war.

Why are folks certain that Ukraine can defeat Russia in this war?

The best scenario, right now, is for Putin to die. Then Russia's new leader can begin to reverse Putin's illegal course of action in Ukraine.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 8:50 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:47 am to
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Sounds like the Ukes have some pretty smart people doing the planning and strategizing.





Happy Birthday US Army!
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:51 am to
You seem certain that Russia's manpower superiority and strategy of attrition won't win this war.

You must be banking on factors such as Russia's will weakening for some reason.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:52 am to
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fight for the Kherson region.


The fight for Kherson is a great example of Russian incompetence. They hollowed out the outer defenses on the only 3 highways leading to the region.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:56 am to
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You seem certain that Russia's manpower superiority and strategy of attrition won't win this war.



It wont, and the :manpower" angle isnt there. Throwing untrained bodies in to the mix isnt working. That works when your opponent has low levels of training which is not the case here.

Attrition cost money. Russia is currently "allocating" how many shells can be fired in what region.
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 8:59 am to
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The best scenario, right now, is for Putin to die. Then Russia's new leader can begin to reverse Putin's illegal course of action in Ukraine.

If the health reports regarding Putin have any truth at all, the war may live longer than he will. However, there is no reason to believe that Putin's successor will unwind this mess. The more realistic assumption is that leadership in Moscow will continue indefinitely, putting the onus on Ukraine to defend their land regardless of health rumors.
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