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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Pulling for the Russians."
I may be wrong, but I think he has said he is.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:44 am to doubleb
I wanted rapprochement with the Russians, and detente in Eastern Europe, instead of NATO expansion.
I wanted to avoid a Russian Chinese alliance. Which would have been easy. They’d don’t like each other very much.
It wouldn’t have cost us anything. The only area where we actually compete with the Russians is probably the Arctic circle. Otherwise we live and operate in separate spheres.
I think war with Russia, what we have now, carries unacceptable risk, and has no material upside. Even if we win, we gain nothing of value.
There’s institutional inertia at work, our massive security apparatus needs an enemy, and the associated industries need one too. And then you have a lot of Eastern Europeans in DC who hate Russia. They’re using America to carry out their old world blood grudges. The Zionists here also hate Russia.
I wanted to avoid a Russian Chinese alliance. Which would have been easy. They’d don’t like each other very much.
It wouldn’t have cost us anything. The only area where we actually compete with the Russians is probably the Arctic circle. Otherwise we live and operate in separate spheres.
I think war with Russia, what we have now, carries unacceptable risk, and has no material upside. Even if we win, we gain nothing of value.
There’s institutional inertia at work, our massive security apparatus needs an enemy, and the associated industries need one too. And then you have a lot of Eastern Europeans in DC who hate Russia. They’re using America to carry out their old world blood grudges. The Zionists here also hate Russia.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 11:53 am
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:51 am to Lima Whiskey
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t wouldn’t have cost us anything. The only area where we actually compete with the Russians is probably the Arctic circle. Otherwise we live and operate in separate spheres.
We compete with them in the ME.
They have supported our enemies numerous times and will again.
They use their status as an oil and gas producer to hurt us and to curry favor with our allies.
They prop up governments that are not our friends.
They have nuclear weapons aimed at us.
There is no reason to trust them or to let them get stronger. They have proven time and time again to be our political enemy. Ignoring them is not the best way to go.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 11:57 am to Lima Whiskey
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I wanted to avoid a Russian Chinese alliance. Which would have been easy. They’d don’t like each other very much.
I think the interactions of Putin and Xi before the Olympics was so that they could discuss how to break the world out of the US centric model. They've been planning this for a while. And it seems Russia, China and Iran have continued to build more advanced weaponry. China militarizing artificial islands in the South China Sea and pushing their influence around the world is an early action in an inevitable conflict with the US and west. We better have our shite together here or we are in for some future turmoil. Civilizations have always warred and will continue to do so. It's best to be on the winning side.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:03 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
To you military guys. What should the U’s strategy be? It appears Russia is pounding with artillery and follows that with troops and tanks. Gradually taking small areas and then consolidating. Does the R artillery have a longer range or just more numbers? So what strategy should U’s have?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:14 pm to DabosDynasty
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Ukraine is faced with a decision to abandon Severodonesk and preserve those troops for the future battles or stay and grind. Ukraine still has the prospect of 700k reinforcements that Russia does not and need to continue to receive or improve western support.
I spoke to my source(s) Ukraine’s strategy is still to hold on to Severodonetsk and grind the Russians down. The Russians logistics are getting better mainly because they are close to rail heads in Izium and Popasna. However they are making progress only because the war has devolved to WW1 style trench warfare and mass charges. Ukraine has turned Severodonetsk into a death trap for the Russians and they have pulled most of their forces out already. The ones that are left have been told to hold out two weeks and kill as many Russians as possible.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:42 pm to Lima Whiskey
Frick Putain and the goals he stated in 2007.
Frick Russia and Putain claims about Ukraine making the country unsafe. Look at how nations have marched into and across Poland and how many times.
You have zero clue other that what you get from the alt news run by Putain.
Oh and spelling is intentional
Frick Russia and Putain claims about Ukraine making the country unsafe. Look at how nations have marched into and across Poland and how many times.
You have zero clue other that what you get from the alt news run by Putain.
Oh and spelling is intentional
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:43 pm to jeffsdad
Ukraine has been withdrawing to defensible high ridges while chewing up Russian military.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:46 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
quote:
I think the interactions of Putin and Xi before the Olympics was so that they could discuss how to break the world out of the US centric model. They've been planning this for a while. And it seems Russia, China and Iran have continued to build more advanced weaponry. China militarizing artificial islands in the South China Sea and pushing their influence around the world is an early action in an inevitable conflict with the US and west. We better have our shite together here or we are in for some future turmoil. Civilizations have always warred and will continue to do so. It's best to be on the winning side.
I’m very interested in somehow, one day reading about what happened at that time between the two. Idk if it was this or Xi set Putin up for his own gain, either information or elimination of close competition or flip the leverage on energy trade between the two, or some mixture. Idk, but all some point we’ll know and I’m very interested.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 2:37 pm to WeeWee
Unfortunately there always has to be an unlucky unit to serve as the rear guard so the majority of other forces can get to safety. Usually they are all but destroyed but it can serve a huge purpose in their sacrifice. Dunkirk doesn’t happen without the 2nd Royal Norfolks and 1st Royal Scots in conjunction with the 1st French holding up 7 German divisions by drawing their fire and therefore away from the beaches. Rommel was so impressed by it that he gave them the honors of war after they finally surrendered allowing them to march out with their rifles shouldered. Preserving those 300,000 troops, 85% of their entire army at the time, saved Britain.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:20 pm to WeeWee
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I spoke to my source(s) Ukraine’s strategy is still to hold on to Severodonetsk and grind the Russians down.
Ukraine is going to be the size of New Jersey if Ukraine keeps winning this conflict. I've read about German 'Blitzkrieg' and Russian 'Deep Battle Doctrine', but the Ukrainian 'Give up 1/3 of Your Country With All The Fertile Lands, Ports & Waterways' takes the cake. Unique military strategy. Now that the $40B is passed and allocated to the "Vassal State Grift Machine", I put the over/under on peace talks at 45 days.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:18 pm to alpinetiger
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OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
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1h
Multiple reports now that the Ukrainians have started a new offensive towards Kherson, including a crossing of the Inhulets River near Bilohirka. h/t
@Liveuamap
for the base map
You were saying?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:27 pm to alpinetiger
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Ukraine is going to be the size of New Jersey if Ukraine keeps winning this conflict.
You do realize that the entire front has shrunk to about the size of New Jersey and involves less 15% of Ukraine as whole.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:46 pm to Jim Rockford
BrOSINTtechnical?
I'll wait for their nuanced, non-retraction, retraction.
I'll wait for their nuanced, non-retraction, retraction. Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:50 pm to WeeWee
quote:I bet your in-country source on Ukraine calculated that percentage with an abacus under candlelight... or a flickering flashlight.
You do realize that the entire front has shrunk to about the size of New Jersey and involves less 15% of Ukraine as whole.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:25 pm to WeeWee
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This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:38 pm to LSU_historian
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LSU_Historian
Registered on 4/3/2022
13 posts
Every single post is about how Russia is winning/gonna win/totally never intended to take Kiev in the first place
+400 rubles to you, comrade
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:45 pm to WeeWee
Looks like the pro ukie side is collapsing
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:47 pm to PrecedentedTimes
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This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:50 pm to LSU_historian
So here’s the deal. Russia is a bunch of thugs. Ukraine is also a bunch of thugs. Ukraine has went back on some of its deals it made for independence. They discovered gas off of Crimea and tariffed and taxed Russian gas pipelines that cow through Ukraine y the billions. They baited and taunted Russia with NATO membership, (they agreed to remain neutral) until Russia attacked.
Russia is a Petro state that gets over 30% of GNP from Gas sales to Europe. Ukraine tried to shut off the spigots while filling the gap with their own gas. They needed western money to develop the gas fields so they have been courting the west; the Obama administration actually backed a coup in 2007.
Don’t forget, Hunter Biden, who is basically a crackhead, was Installed on the board of Burisma a Ukrainian natural gas upstart.
Since then Zelensky has been trying to get NATO in a shooting war with Russia…you know the country that actually has more Nukes than us.
I have no love for Putin. But Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in Europe. Not worth getting nuked over.
Some facts about Ukraine:
Largest Nation State contributor to the Clinton Foundation, while being the poorest nation in Europe.
The most corrupt nation in Europe by most estimations.
The 40Billion we sent had no stipulations on what or who it went to.
Burisma put the son of a Vice President on the board while having no ties or experience in the petro industry, no international business experience, and basically a drug addled thug.
The “informant” for the Russia China collusion hoax built by Fusion1 was a Ukrainian National who died suddenly when the trial didn’t get thrown out.
Russia is not our friend, but neither is Ukraine.
Russia is a Petro state that gets over 30% of GNP from Gas sales to Europe. Ukraine tried to shut off the spigots while filling the gap with their own gas. They needed western money to develop the gas fields so they have been courting the west; the Obama administration actually backed a coup in 2007.
Don’t forget, Hunter Biden, who is basically a crackhead, was Installed on the board of Burisma a Ukrainian natural gas upstart.
Since then Zelensky has been trying to get NATO in a shooting war with Russia…you know the country that actually has more Nukes than us.
I have no love for Putin. But Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in Europe. Not worth getting nuked over.
Some facts about Ukraine:
Largest Nation State contributor to the Clinton Foundation, while being the poorest nation in Europe.
The most corrupt nation in Europe by most estimations.
The 40Billion we sent had no stipulations on what or who it went to.
Burisma put the son of a Vice President on the board while having no ties or experience in the petro industry, no international business experience, and basically a drug addled thug.
The “informant” for the Russia China collusion hoax built by Fusion1 was a Ukrainian National who died suddenly when the trial didn’t get thrown out.
Russia is not our friend, but neither is Ukraine.
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