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Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:59 pm to
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:59 pm to
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Copy one Pro Russian post that I have made


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Posted on 4/4/22:

Putin has spoke for the past decade about Novorossiya and I believe that his intent from the start of his invasion has been to make it a reality.


Nice image, vatnik loser
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
3128 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:01 pm to
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The 40Billion we sent had no stipulations on what or who it went to


Pure intellectual dishonesty, and this is coming from someone who didn’t support the $40B either. Do better
Posted by LSU_historian
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:07 pm to
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Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38425 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:09 pm to
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Largest Nation State contributor to the Clinton Foundation, while being the poorest nation in Europe.

The most corrupt nation in Europe by most estimations.

The 40Billion we sent had no stipulations on what or who it went to.

Burisma put the son of a Vice President on the board while having no ties or experience in the petro industry, no international business experience, and basically a drug addled thug.

The “informant” for the Russia China collusion hoax built by Fusion1 was a Ukrainian National who died suddenly when the trial didn’t get thrown out.

Russia is not our friend, but neither is Ukraine.
I don't give a shite about most of that and the only part that actually concerns me is false.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8192 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:10 pm to
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Any verification of Ukraine crossing ? Most are escaping the Kherson region & are becoming more demoralized, by Russian occupation, it seems from interviews.



https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1530605139912007681
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#Ukraine: the
@GeneralStaffUA has announced the start of an offensive to liberate the #Kherson region.

Fighting with the Russian invasion force is ongoing on several points west of the Dnieper river.




This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 6:11 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30743 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:18 pm to
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taxed Russian gas pipelines that cow through Ukraine y the billions.


You know the Ukrainian government owns the Brotherhood and Soyuz pipelines right? They were built in the Soviet era. Why wouldn't they tax Russia for their use?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41360 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:25 pm to
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I don't give a shite about most of that


And this sums up the Ukraine fanboys to a T. Media and celebrity culture have told them to "Stand with Ukraine" and, by God, they're going to stand with Ukraine.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8192 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:30 pm to
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And this sums up the Ukraine fanboys to a T. Media and celebrity culture have told them to "Stand with Ukraine" and, by God, they're going to stand with Ukraine.


Or perhaps they see the difference between right and wrong. I figured a former marine would understand that, but I guess in every population, there are outliers.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150519 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:35 pm to
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The 40Billion we sent had no stipulations on what or who it went to.
its literally going to nazis and to the literal production of millions of copies of mein kampf
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38252 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:35 pm to
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They discovered gas off of Crimea and tariffed and taxed Russian gas pipelines that cow through Ukraine y the billions


OmG tHe HorRoR!
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:37 pm to
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its literally going to nazis and to the literal production of millions of copies of mein kampf


Don’t worry, Putin’s got this. He’ll find that yellow cake...I mean, copies of Mein Kampf.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38425 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:39 pm to
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And this sums up the Ukraine fanboys to a T. Media and celebrity culture have told them to "Stand with Ukraine" and, by God, they're going to stand with Ukraine.
Bro, I don't give a frick about Hunter Biden in the context of a major international conflict. Take your weird arse to the poli board with that shite.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 6:45 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 6:58 pm to
The Ukrainians shelled the rebel areas of the Donbas daily over the last eight years.

The shelling was punitive, Poroshenko had a line about making them (the rebel civilians) hide in their basements instead of carrying out normal life. The measures to outlaw Russian culture were also purposefully hostile, and intended to strip the Russian Ukrainians of their culture, and a voice in Ukraine.

It’s worth going back to what the Minsk protocols called for. They didn’t give the rebels independence, they called instead for a federal solution. It wasn’t a bad deal for Kiev.

As much as the media portrays this as a battle between good and evil - it’s not.

The following link takes you to a Quora post showing civilians killed by the shelling over the last eight years. It’s graphic, you may not want to look at it. I post it not to manipulate your emotions, but to point out that it was real.

It also shows the photo of the young man who was beheaded by the Ukrainian nationalists in the Donbas. The nationalist is shown holding his severed head. The young man’s body is at his feet. His hands are bound.

The murders of the Russian POWs isn’t a new phenomenon. The atrocities began in 2014

LINK

(Mods, strike the link if it’s out of line)
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 6:59 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16221 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:20 pm to
No different than ROW payments here in the USA
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16221 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:23 pm to
So that is why there have been protests in the areas in the east occupied by Russia since 2014 with their little green men all with Russian military unit insignias. Russia isn't paying the conscripts from there since this all began
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30743 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:28 pm to
ISW assessment for 5/28:

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is inflicting unspeakable suffering on Ukrainians and demanding horrible sacrifices of his own people in an effort to seize a city that does not merit the cost, even for him.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine that aimed to seize and occupy the entire country has become a desperate and bloody offensive to capture a single city in the east while defending important but limited gains in the south and east. Ukraine has twice forced Putin to define down his military objectives. Ukraine defeated Russia in the Battle of Kyiv, forcing Putin to reduce his subsequent military objectives to seizing Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in eastern Ukraine. Ukraine stopped him from achieving that aim as well, forcing him to focus on completing the seizure of Luhansk Oblast alone. Putin is now hurling men and munitions at the last remaining major population center in that oblast, Severodonetsk, as if taking it would win the war for the Kremlin. He is wrong. When the Battle of Severodonetsk ends, regardless of which side holds the city, the Russian offensive at the operational and strategic levels will likely have culminated, giving Ukraine the chance to restart its operational-level counteroffensives to push Russian forces back.

Russian forces are assaulting Severdonetsk even though they have not yet encircled it. They are making territorial gains and may succeed in taking the city and areas further west. The Ukrainian military is facing the most serious challenge it has encountered since the isolation of the Azovstal Plant in Mariupol and may well suffer a significant tactical defeat in the coming days if Severodonetsk falls, although such an outcome is by no means certain, and the Russian attacks may well stall again.

The Russians are paying a price for their current tactical success that is out of proportion to any real operational or strategic benefit they can hope to receive. Severodonetsk itself is important at this stage in the war primarily because it is the last significant population center in Luhansk Oblast that the Russians do not control. Seizing it will let Moscow declare that it has secured Luhansk Oblast fully but will give Russia no other significant military or economic benefit. This is especially true because Russian forces are destroying the city as they assault it and will control its rubble if they capture it. Taking Severodonetsk can open a Russian ground line of communication (GLOC) to support operations to the west, but the Russians have failed to secure much more advantageous GLOCs from Izyum partly because they have concentrated so much on Severodonetsk.

The Russians continue to make extremely limited progress in their efforts to gain control of the unoccupied areas of Donetsk Oblast, meanwhile. Russian troops have struggled to penetrate the pre-February 24 line of contact for weeks, while Russian offensive operations from Izyum to the south remain largely stalled. The seizure of Severodonetsk could only assist in the conquest of the rest of Donetsk Oblast if it gave the Russians momentum on which to build successive operations, but the Battle of Severdonetsk will most likely preclude continued large-scale Russian offensive operations.

Russian progress around Severdonetsk results largely from the fact that Moscow has concentrated forces, equipment, and materiel drawn from all other axes on this one objective. Russian troops have been unable to make progress on any other axes for weeks and have largely not even tried to do so. Ukrainian defenders have inflicted fearful casualties on the Russian attackers around Severodonetsk even so. Moscow will not be able to recoup large amounts of effective combat power even if it seizes Severdonetsk, because it is expending that combat power frivolously on taking the city.

Ukrainian forces are also suffering serious losses in the Battle of Severodonetsk, as are Ukrainian civilians and infrastructure. The Russians have concentrated a much higher proportion of their available offensive combat power to take Severodonetsk than the Ukrainians, however, shaping the attrition gradient generally in Kyiv’s favor. The Ukrainians continue to receive supplies and materiel from their allies as well, however slow and limited that flow may be. The Russians, in contrast, continue to manifest clear signs that they are burning through their available reserves of manpower and materiel with no reason to expect relief in the coming months.

Evidence of eroding military professionalism in the Russian officer corps is mounting. The Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported that Russian commanders are attempting to preserve military equipment by forbidding drivers from evacuating wounded servicemen or providing supplies to units that have advanced too far.[1] Refusing to risk equipment to evacuate wounded personnel on the battlefield—other than in extraordinary circumstances—is a remarkable violation of core principles of military professionalism. Such behavior can have serious impacts on morale and the willingness of soldiers to fight and risk getting injured beyond their own defensive lines. ISW cannot independently confirm the GUR’s report, but commentary by Russian milbloggers offers some circumstantial support for it. Russian milblogger Alexander Zhychkovskiy criticized the Russian military command’s disregard for reservists on the deprioritized Zaporizhia Oblast front. Zhychkovskiy reported that Russian commanders trapped lightly-equipped infantry units in areas of intense Ukrainian artillery fire without significant artillery support and did not rotate other units through those areas to relieve them.[2] Zhychkovskiy noted that Russian commanders are responsible for high losses and cases of insanity among servicemen. Another milblogger, Alexander Khodarkovsky, said that Russian commanders are not sending reinforcements in a timely matter, preventing Russian forces from resting between ground assaults.[3]

Waning professionalism among Russia’s officers could present Ukrainian forces with opportunities. Russian morale, already low, may drop further if such behavior is widespread and continues. If Russian troops stuck on secondary axes lose their will to fight as the Battle for Severdonetsk consumes much of the available Russian offensive combat power, Ukraine may have a chance to launch significant counteroffensives with good prospects for success. That prospect is uncertain, and Ukraine may not have the ability to take advantage of an opportunity even if it presents itself, but the current pattern of Russian operations is generating serious vulnerabilities that Kyiv will likely attempt to exploit.

Key Takeaways

Russian forces pressed the ground assault on Severodonetsk and its environs, making limited gains.
Russian forces in Kharkiv continue to focus efforts on preventing a Ukrainian counteroffensive from reaching the international border between Kharkiv and Belgorod.
Ukrainian forces began a counteroffensive near the Kherson-Mykolaiv oblast border approximately 70 km to the northeast of Kherson City that may have crossed the Inhulets River.
Russia’s use of stored T-62 tanks in the southern axis indicates Russia’s continued materiel and force generation problems.
Ukrainian partisan activity continues to impose costs on Russian occupation forces in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts.


ISW
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28838 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:31 pm to
They really need to bump the PoliBoard war thread, so the Russians can reconnoiter there.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8192 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:23 pm to
Nice post that is in alignment with what several have said here.

Russia, with the majority of its combat power, focused on one objective has yet to take that objective. They might take it, but at what cost to future operations?

The same is true for Ukraine, they might hold out in the pocket, but at what cost? We do see a new commitment of Ukrainian forces in the Kherson region with their evolving counter-offensive.

The newly fielded Ukrainian 5th Armored Brigade was deployed to the Kherson region. Does Russia have enough combat power in the area to stall the Ukrainian attack? If not, then Russia will have to pull power from somewhere to reinforce.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8192 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:31 pm to
A nice animated map of the fighting over the last week in the Severodonestk pocket.

https://twitter.com/bradyafr/status/1530720787098902531
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:32 pm to
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