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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:45 pm to JayDeerTay84
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:45 pm to JayDeerTay84
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There is nothing sovereign about Ukraine. It is a puppet state split in two. Russian influence or Western money.
You dont have to "love Putin" to see the reality of why things are they way they are today.
Sure there is, and the West and Russia agreed to let them be on their own, signed a treaty to enable them to exist and the parties should stick to it.
Face but Putin has been a power hungry neighbor and has used force in several countries including the Ukraine prior to this invasion. This invasion is the last in a series and the first time the West had stood up to him,
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:50 pm to doubleb
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:51 pm to JayDeerTay84
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There is nothing sovereign about Ukraine. It is a puppet state split in two. Russian influence or Western money.
I've been there. Have you?
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:53 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Because he says shite like this war is the fault of the US and EU because of western expansionism, and that the best thing is for Ukraine to be conquered and subjugated. I don't take seriously anyone who advocates the subjugation of a sovereign nation to steal their resources and permanently control them.
We have other posters here who post the other side's POV without injecting their political bias in to it.
Lima is one of the ones that can't seem to do that.
There is nothing sovereign about Ukraine. It is a puppet state split in two. Russian influence or Western money.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:54 pm to WeeWee
It's another RT special.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:58 pm to Centinel
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It's another RT special.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:19 pm to doubleb
Today the Daily Mail had pictures of a funeral of a Russian Captain who was killed presumably in action in Ukraine. His uncle is a high up military close to Putin. The uncle attended the funeral.
Burial in Ingushetia
What shocked me was how foreign to my western European mind, the pictures of the funeral were.
The body was wrapped in a rug for burial.
All the men in the pictures were wearing hats the whole time.
There were only men in ALL the pictures, no women at all. Not even children and no family.
The men stood with their right hands over their left hands, no other way.
The lack of any visibility of women really got to me. His Mother was the important man's sister. How different for she and other women to be omitted from the formal final rites.
How very different from Greek Orthodox and other western religions that dominate not very far away. (Google maps shows just how close this is to the Crimea and to Turkey which admittedly is changing.)
Burial in Ingushetia
What shocked me was how foreign to my western European mind, the pictures of the funeral were.
The body was wrapped in a rug for burial.
All the men in the pictures were wearing hats the whole time.
There were only men in ALL the pictures, no women at all. Not even children and no family.
The men stood with their right hands over their left hands, no other way.
The lack of any visibility of women really got to me. His Mother was the important man's sister. How different for she and other women to be omitted from the formal final rites.
How very different from Greek Orthodox and other western religions that dominate not very far away. (Google maps shows just how close this is to the Crimea and to Turkey which admittedly is changing.)
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:32 pm to real turf fan
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real turf fan
To understand Russia you have to realize that Russians are a mix central asian nomads and europe's weird uncle who shows up to Christmas drunk and wants to wrestle before opening presents. When you mix those elements together nothing is surprising and it’s all weird.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:38 pm to LSU_historian
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Russian forces are reportedly pushing very hard to take the city right now. Lyman remains one of the only Ukrainian held area on the north bank of the Siverskyi Donets River, along with Severodonetsk.
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Russian forces shell the center of Lyman, Donetsk oblast, reportedly with a TOS-1
Good video of a MLRS strike
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1528854337837215744
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:39 pm to real turf fan
One Eight Hundred, Five, Eight, Eight, Two, Three Hundred.
EM-Pire!
EM-Pire!
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:40 pm to Chromdome35
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1528854276054962176
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The Lithuanian Government is reportedly planning to request that Allied Nations including the United States, Britain, France, and Turkey launch a Naval Operation to retake Ukrainian Coastal Ports in the Black Sea, this will allow International Food Export to continue unimpeded.
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Though Lithuania has said they do not have faith that the current Turkish Government will allow NATO Warships to transit the Bosphorus Strait to conduct such an Operation due to the Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:42 pm to Chromdome35
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1528014124554272768
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According to pro-ru telegram: UA forces have gathered up to 32 BTGs in total for a counter offensive. These are divided in to 3 groups, in the areas of Kryvyi Rih, Mykolaiv and Pervomais'kyi.
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Ok so I got one of the locations a bit wrong. Ukraine names are killing me. It is supposed to be Pervomais'ke by Mykolaiv probably. h/t
@VirginMathemat1
for correcting my mistake.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:44 pm to doubleb
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Sure there is, and the West and Russia agreed to let them be on their own, signed a treaty to enable them to exist and the parties should stick to it.
Face but Putin has been a power hungry neighbor and has used force in several countries including the Ukraine prior to this invasion. This invasion is the last in a series and the first time the West had stood up to him,
Nothing I said was untrue.
When the Soviet Union failed, Ukraine became a state propped up by the West in addition to their previous Russian ties.
This is factual and has nothing to do with politics. It was always destined to be contested and the West failed to protect their side of the influence. Thus, Russian aggression.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:44 pm to Chromdome35
Pay attention to this and other posts by Chrom Lima. This is how you post both sides without injecting your personal political bias.
When you are finally able to do this, I will take your posts more seriously.
When you are finally able to do this, I will take your posts more seriously.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:45 pm to JayDeerTay84
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When the Soviet Union failed, Ukraine became a state propped up by the West
Tell me you know nothing about Ukrainian history without telling me you know nothing about it.
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It was always destined to be contested
Only by Russia. Funny that.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:47 pm to Chromdome35
https://twitter.com/cpimentel986/status/1528811840540745728
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More reports from Liman: info about 500-600 prisoners is described by men there as "fantasy" and that they do not go above 300, and many of these wounded no longer capable of fighting that gave up after being rendered combat ineffective.
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The AFU however *is* heavily demoralized, has sustained too many "200s" and has pulled back due the west, as reported before. RuAF controls most of the city, but not the entire Krasny Liman yet. By the morning the situation may change.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:47 pm to JayDeerTay84
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There is nothing sovereign about Ukraine. It is a puppet state split in two.
Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia thought exactly the same about Poland. Do Ukrainian opinions matter at all to you? Because their opinion is pretty clear from how this has played out. They are fighting and willing to die for their sovereignty. Any American that can't support that can go fack themselves, IMO. The same for the politicians that those fools support.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:49 pm to Centinel
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Tell me you know nothing about Ukrainian history without telling me you know nothing about it.
If I am wrong, you can speak with facts. Being snarky solves nothing and offers no counter to anything I said.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:50 pm to Tigris
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Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia thought exactly the same about Poland. Do Ukrainian opinions matter at all to you? Because their opinion is pretty clear from how this has played out. They are fighting and willing to die for their sovereignty. Any American that can't support that can go fack themselves, IMO. The same for the politicians that those fools support.
Who said I didn’t support it? I stated why it’s quite obvious as to why it is and has been a current conflict zone between the West and Russia.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:51 pm to Chromdome35
I saw some reports today that the Ukrainians tried to blow a dam in the south. From the pictures, it doesn't look like they were successful.
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1528811547979665409
Video from the dam: https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1528809907117506560
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1528811547979665409
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AFU has tried to blow up the thermal power station in Svetlodarsk, but the dam remains intact for now. It's vital for the Ukrainians to flood the area before Russians can cross bc the bridge is already destroyed & it's the only viable path north. Important for future RU advance
Video from the dam: https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1528809907117506560
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