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re: Jazzfest heightens Airbnb tensions
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:53 am to chalmetteowl
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:53 am to chalmetteowl
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there are some places now with so few permanent residents, it doesn't even feel like a neighborhood.
I always wonder how people quantify this. Any time I walked around neighborhoods not near businesses, I may see a dozen people tops as it is. People don't hang out in their yard all the time waving at people and having small talk like a 1950s tv show. We also don't have crawfish boil block parties every other day like the movies make it look. So to me at least, the neighborhood is as empty as it ever was.
And once I get near the busier sections, the tourists can only really be pointed out by their "WHERE I'm FROM" t-shirts or taking pictures of every house in the Garden District.
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 9:55 am
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Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:00 am to Salmon
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I can see the neighbors point of view. I don't like renters period in my neighborhood. Renters don't normally contribute to the neighborhood.
I'm not 100% sure of the process that is going on in Bywater, but if people are buying shitty homes, renovating them and renting them through AirBnB I have zero problem with that. It's a way to gentrify an area without having to take the risk of living in that area during the early stages of gentrification.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:04 am to Epic Cajun
CtPaTown
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:04 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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People don't hang out in their yard all the time waving at people and having small talk like a 1950s tv show
I generally know everyone on my block, and recognize most within a few block radius. any given day i atleast exchange a hello, if not a little more with 2-3 people.
New Orleans, in a lot of neighborhoods, is still very much a front porch city.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:10 am to chalmetteowl
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what they're arguing is, there are some places now with so few permanent residents, it doesn't even feel like a neighborhood. AirBnB ironically is helping kill the very thing a lot of tourists come to New Orleans for
Actually they specifically said safety and noise, which is just a dumb argument. There are legit concerns with what's going on, saftey and noise is very far down the list and really is just scare tactic bullshite.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:14 am to Jim Rockford
The City Planning Commission has sent recommendations on Airbnbs to the Council for consideration. In short they really don't care about people renting our their houses for the big events a few times a year (Mardi Gras, Jazzfest, etc) or people who rent out rooms or the other side of their double where they reside on-premise full time. In these 2 scenarios the recommendation is essentially getting a really cheap permit from City Hall.
Now the process for people or corporations who airbnb multiple units full time will be complicated with inspections and limits on how many airbnbs can be on any one block or neighborhood.
Now the process for people or corporations who airbnb multiple units full time will be complicated with inspections and limits on how many airbnbs can be on any one block or neighborhood.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:14 am to rintintin
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Actually they specifically said safety and noise, which is just a dumb argument. There are legit concerns with what's going on, saftey and noise is very far down the list and really is just scare tactic bull shite.
i think neighborhood noise is a more common complaint you see among people that actually live next door. sure the homeowner next to you might come home drunk on a thursday night at 3am and not care if you hear him rocking out to music with his bros --- but thats way more likely with a bachelor party renting for a weekend next door.
safety of neighboring homeowners is waaaaaay down the list if it even registers, but safety of travelers dropped into random neighborhoods they dont know about is potentially an issue. plenty of listings in treme, or 7th ward that people book and dont realize what they are getting into based on it being so close to downtown (or the wrong side of st charles and ending up in central city). but much of that is already an issue that needs to be addressed already.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:18 am to Sneaky__Sally
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works for Houston
not really, I mean they do it, but Houston's city planning is horrible. (also tons of property in Houston has use restrictions written in to their deed's)
The whole Houston "no zoning" thing is partially a matter of semantics. To develop/build in Houston you have to deal with a whole bunch of land use regulations attached to properties or neighborhoods.
It might not be city zoning, but 80%-90% of the time it is the same effect.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:20 am to NoSaint
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plenty of listings in treme, or 7th ward that people book and dont realize what they are getting into based on it being so close to downtown
I really feel kind of feel bad for these people.
They think they are getting a great convenient location, but there's a decent chance they'll see a armed robery/crack deal/murder outside their window during their stay.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:23 am to rintintin
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There are legit concerns with what's going on, saftey and noise is very far down the list and really is just scare tactic bullshite.
i would think a lot of the travelers to New Orleans using full houses are not the type that would concern me regarding noise and crime... however, the neighborhood created to cater to them is the bigger issue. who wants to live without permanent neighbors?
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 10:29 am
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:27 am to Jim Rockford
Temporary gentrification is no better than permanent gentrification.
Airbnb needs to be regulated, or preferably, shut down.
Airbnb needs to be regulated, or preferably, shut down.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:28 am to yoga girl
I sincerely hope no one bites on that
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:28 am to yoga girl
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Temporary gentrification is no better than permanent gentrification
Well, no shite. Why would anyone think it's better?
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yoga girl
Oh.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:30 am to chalmetteowl
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i would think a lot of the travelers to New Orleans using full houses are not the type that would concern me regarding noise and crime...
I dont think anyone is renting an airbnb to better access a neighborhood for theft, rape and murder. Thats pretty absurd for anyone to argue. maybe you see a bit more littering and such but not major crime.
i do think you see young 18-34 year old traveler going for bachelor(ette) or guys (girls) weekends, etc.... using this a lot and that can be a legit noise issue. the "lets stuff a ton of people in a house instead of renting 3 hotel rooms" crowd.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:30 am to TheCaterpillar
Out of curiosity, do you do the ones where the homeowner is in the home and you're just renting a room? Or the one where you rent a whole space?
I like the idea of AirBnB (only if I had an entire space; I'm not sleeping in the same place as a stranger), but I have yet to find one in a desirable area that is less expensive than a hotel. Maybe if I was with a large group splitting the cost...
I like the idea of AirBnB (only if I had an entire space; I'm not sleeping in the same place as a stranger), but I have yet to find one in a desirable area that is less expensive than a hotel. Maybe if I was with a large group splitting the cost...
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:34 am to JohnnyKilroy
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plenty of listings in treme, or 7th ward that people book and dont realize what they are getting into based on it being so close to downtown
I really feel kind of feel bad for these people.
They think they are getting a great convenient location, but there's a decent chance they'll see a armed robery/crack deal/murder outside their window during their stay.
A friend of mine did that last jazz fest. They had a place near Willa Maes and were casually walking to and from their place and jazz fest, the quarter, etc. Completely oblivious, fortunately nothing happened.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:34 am to Salmon
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I sincerely hope no one bites on that
It wasn't a hook, you just don't like what I'm saying.
Gentrification sucks. But, maybe I can make the point by considering the reverse. You buy an expensive home, and your neighbor starts having day rentals at her house. These renters arent' screened. Rap groups, biker gangs, loud college frats all rent the house.
Clearly, you would not like it. So, accept that the reverse is just as true.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:34 am to yoga girl
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Airbnb needs to be regulated, or preferably, shut down.
You probably hate Uber too.
There is no reason to shut down Air BnB but like most things it has shifted away from it's original use of people renting their house/apt out on the weekends or for special events. If property is going to be used exclusively as pretty much a hotel it should be treated as such.
Rents were going up in the bywater and marigny regardless of Air BnB, unfortunately the renters were going to be forced out there eventually it is just happening faster.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:35 am to NoSaint
quote:you'd like to be able to say that, but the fact is that those people aided and abetted by airBnB are more transient...
I dont think anyone is renting an airbnb to better access a neighborhood for theft, rape and murder.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:36 am to chalmetteowl
lol @ "I survived Katrina so I should be able to live in a cheap house"
A decade of sympathy from literally EVERYONE in the USA wasn't enough. You need to have a free house too for the rest of your life? Does every 9/11 survivor live in the same neighborhood they lived in 15 years ago?
A decade of sympathy from literally EVERYONE in the USA wasn't enough. You need to have a free house too for the rest of your life? Does every 9/11 survivor live in the same neighborhood they lived in 15 years ago?
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