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re: It’s shocking to me how normalized receiving government assistance has become
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:05 pm to Tortious
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:05 pm to Tortious
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The best is the Medicaid patients that go to the ER 15 times a year
People who are out of touch with the expense of healthcare do this shite. My ex-wife was like that - she always had insurance paid by someone else and never paid attention to deductibles, etc. Kid gets sick - immediately off to ER. Her tune changed when she started footing the bill directly.
Actually the problem is the people who go to the ER and don’t pay anything - that’s what’s crushing the hospitals
Medicaid pays something insurance pays something it’s the ones who don’t pay anything is what drives the costs up
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Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It would not crash.
Yes it would. I'm not talking strictly about welfare for individuals. If all government assistance were to cease, lots and lots of businesses would go under, the housing industry would crash, the healthcare industry would crash, etc.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:07 pm to The Spleen
You can add agriculture to that.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:09 pm to LouisianaLady
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I thought the income threshold to qualify was really low. Are they just lying?
Medicaid requirements vary greatly from state to state, especially post-ACA when you throw in states that expanded it and those that didn't. It's next to impossible for adults to get approved for Medicaid in Alabama, unless they are permanently and severely disabled.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:10 pm to High C
Yeah Wait till democrats take over president again
only good thing is it stimulates the economy
only good thing is it stimulates the economy
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:16 pm to Celery
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It’s not just poor people who receive 100s of billions, multi-billion dollar corporations do too, despite all the additional tax incentives, subsidies, irresponsible spending and 9 figure CEO salaries. It’s less shocking that the poor need a handout than the wealthy.
I actually don't mind the under 300 billion going towards food stamps and the like as long as it means people in this country don't starve, it seems like a very small price to pay compared to all the other things we throw away money on. Sure it probably gets abused but im also sure a lot of it does keep people from starving, which is a least a tangible result compared to where a lot of the money goes
Judging by this thread it seems to bother people a lot more because they see a few hundred dollars spent at the store whereas they don't see the billions being handed to corporations. Out of sight, out of mind. let's condemn the poor, thats how Jesus wouldve done it
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:21 pm to High C
Don’t work too many hours, don’t want to mess up my benefits
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:23 pm to High C
We would probably be shocked to learn of all who receives government assistance.
When I was a teenager (back in the 90s), we used to live by this man who worked for medicare or medicad. One of them.. Or maybe they are together, I don't know, but anyway.. He got caught approving people who didn't qualify.
His brother was running some kind of medicare/medicad scam.. And he ended up going to jail, but the guy I lived by didn't. I don't know the whole story, but after that situation he kept to himself..
When I was a teenager (back in the 90s), we used to live by this man who worked for medicare or medicad. One of them.. Or maybe they are together, I don't know, but anyway.. He got caught approving people who didn't qualify.
His brother was running some kind of medicare/medicad scam.. And he ended up going to jail, but the guy I lived by didn't. I don't know the whole story, but after that situation he kept to himself..
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:23 pm to sgallo3
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Yeah, I don't love the SNAP abuse, but it isn't high on the list for me.
Of course it sucks to watch someone buying a basket of junk food, but the manpower required to closely control what people can buy would cost us more than just giving them the $200 and calling it a day. There's soooo much that would have to go into monitoring it.
And I mean, a lot of these people can't cook/won't cook/don't have the means to cook. So prepared foods, frozen meals, packaged foods, etc. are going to have to be allowed.
And that's not even bringing in allergies and things like that to the discussion, which you know would have to be observed.
I work in an industry based on feeding at-risk children, and there are parts of the country where the demographics are such that you can't sit there and avoid giving them the foods they will eat (pizza, burgers, etc). Those kids aren't exposed to that and will throw away the only meal they might get that day to keep from eating it.
I do agree that it would be nice for items like Starbucks drinks, energy drinks, candy, etc. to be refused.. but the execution of that would be difficult. There's a new candy/drink type deal released nearly every day.
Just easier to load the card with a dollar amount and not try to fund anything deeper to little end.
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 9/8/20 at 5:15 pm to High C
Generation after generation after generation after generation etc. etc. etc .........
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:03 pm to madddoggydawg
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You really have a problem with letting poor people eat? Sad!
If you can't afford food, you can't afford food. It actually doesn't reflect on someone's character. They may make more money than you one day.
This mindset is the exact problem, you can't see the forest through the trees.
I've struggled before mightily, lost my house and lived out of my truck for a couple weeks, and wondered where my next meal would come from less than 10 years ago.
My life went to shite when my GF of 5 years and fiancee died in a car accident a couple months before our wedding. I had a legitimate excuse to fall apart, and by all accounts did for a time.
You know what I NEVER did? Blame anyone but myself or expect anyone else to fix it.
It was going through such a hard time that made me recalibrate my entire life, pick myself up by my bootstraps, and promise myself I'd never get there again. I got serious about finding a good job (while living out of a truck, still) and worked my arse off to land it and move up.
I eventually got an apartment, and then a house. I got a new truck. I worked my hands down to the bone to fix the hole I dug for myself, and that hard time I went through continues to give me the drive I need to succeed. I eventually bettered myself even further and became a US Marshal, from living out of my truck less than 2 years prior. I also found the second love of my life, somehow even better than the first, and we'll be married in about a month.
Not many people posting here have a problem with temporarily helping those down on their luck; unless you were born rich, you've probably needed some help before. No, we have a problem with those that abuse the system for eternity and don't even attempt to better themselves and their situation.. The ones that "make a living" off the welfare tax dollars taken from those busting their asses at work every day; the ones that took the initiative to better their lives.
To those that are currently on welfare and staying there - what is preventing them from having the drive to better their lives like I did? I had no special treatment or leg up and I made it, and now make a comfortable living. What's stopping THEM?
TLDR - most people's problem with welfare/entitlements boils down to the people that STAY ON IT INDEFINITELY AND LIVE FOREVER OFF THE GOVERNMENT'S DIME. That should never be the case and there should be a 6-12 month time limit, at most.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:06 pm to High C
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This is not at all about race, this is about people allowing themselves to become dependent on the government and just not caring.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:22 pm to High C
Now talk about the corporate welfare: let's start with Petrochem, which has been on a welfare program for 70+ years, and gets special welfare benefits in La. All for some 50K/year jobs, that should pay twice that.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 7:04 pm to madddoggydawg
People won’t die in the streets, they will know they need food like everyone who works to support their family, and be forced to
Get a job to pay for that food. If the government has the ability to help out its citizens in a time of need, and that is OK. But it is not meant to be a lifestyle. There are many people in this country who are on the take from the minute they were brought into this world to the minute they leave. That is unsustainable
Get a job to pay for that food. If the government has the ability to help out its citizens in a time of need, and that is OK. But it is not meant to be a lifestyle. There are many people in this country who are on the take from the minute they were brought into this world to the minute they leave. That is unsustainable
Posted on 9/8/20 at 7:24 pm to chinese58
Everyone hates government programs until mom and dad have to pay their own way for the nursing home, then every kid becomes a Medicaid expert and tried to defraud the system.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 7:27 pm to Overbrook
Corporate welfare is an ignorant term. A company keeping more of its own money =/= welfare.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 7:27 pm to beerJeep
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They only get $195 a month for 1 person
Easy as frickkkkk to live off of btw
Have you seen the cost of ribeyes???
Posted on 9/8/20 at 7:57 pm to GreenRockTiger
Did it become available the next year or two?
In 2011 was disabled then and applying for medicare. The website told me to look to see about medicaid first. I saw the income level to receive it was less than $700 per month. My disability payments put me well over that.
I wondered about whether people have to make a choice between working somewhere like Walmart or McDonald's without insurance, or staying home, sitting on their arse, and having health care.
In 2011 was disabled then and applying for medicare. The website told me to look to see about medicaid first. I saw the income level to receive it was less than $700 per month. My disability payments put me well over that.
I wondered about whether people have to make a choice between working somewhere like Walmart or McDonald's without insurance, or staying home, sitting on their arse, and having health care.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 8:49 pm to LSURN98
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The government pays farmers not to farm to control the prices on the commodity markets you dip shite. Farmers don’t need help. They are so efficient and good at what they do, that if left to their own devices would have the price of wheat at 50 cents a ton. The government does this to bring stability to these markets so STFU and GTFO.
It's true. The government decided after the 1980s farm crisis that they were going into business of managed food production. They put out the programs like CRP to control how many acres are in production. NRCS is involved in all sorts of land resource practices. There is government crop insurance programs. The government incentivizes farmers to enroll in these programs but farmers don't have to, they're just to good to pass up.
You can argue the government shouldn't be involved like this, I'll listen to that argument. I also understand why, to stabilize land prices, provide a stable food supply that we can use to export and leverage against other countries.
United States farmers producing enough to feed the world puts us in a pretty dominant position.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:08 pm to sgallo3
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Judging by this thread it seems to bother people a lot more because they see a few hundred dollars spent at the store whereas they don't see the billions being handed to corporations. Out of sight, out of mind. let's condemn the poor, thats how Jesus wouldve done it
The irony is all that EBT money ends up right back in the hands of corporate America too, from Walmart to the big Ag companies.
It's always the middle class that gets squeezed in all this.
I would like to see it go away from EBT and buying whatever processed crap at the grocery store to only being able to buy real food like meat, poultry, eggs, fruits, vegetables, etc. The whole point is so people don't starve, no reason that crap like pizza rolls are eligible. Oh, but there it is. Then some big food processing conglomerate wouldn't be in on the money train.
Everybody wins except the middle class. Just keeps getting squeezed.
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