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re: Israel Pfizer efficacy against covid-19 hospitalizations broken down by age group
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
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If you want to do that and multiple the covid risk of myocarditis by 60%, it is STILL HIGHER THAN THAT OF THE VACCINE
I don't disagree, but 40% is a material amount to say doesn't matter
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And that isnt taking into account future infections are still being added
Neither does the vaccine rate take into account future boosters
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:20 am to STEVED00
quote:What do you think my point was?
My point was that one lead to the other. If they don’t mislead us originally then the mistrust isn’t nearly as high.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:21 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Why would that change the rate?
Neither does the vaccine rate take into account future boosters
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
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Well you might want to add the covid risk for this as well
.09%
So the vaccine actually helps to reduce this as well
You referring to Singer’s study? Are 12-17 y/o young adults? Do you have anything for myocarditis in young adults?
Also, it seems like they viewed myocarditis as far as 90 days out. Seems like a pretty long time, but I don’t know how long it would take before you can rule out Covid or a vax causing myocarditis
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:23 am to lsupride87
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What do you think my point was?
That both sides are being equally irrational. Will there be anti vaccine people regardless sure but that number was amped up exponentially by the medical/govt community’s actions pre-vaccine.
The seemed to get everything wrong with Covid pre-vaccine. And feed us line after line of BS and then all of a sudden we were supposed to trust the science of the vaccine.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:26 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:24 am to lsupride87
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Why would that change the rate?
If I smoke one cigarette I'm not going to get lung cancer. If I smoke a pack of cigarettes a day for 20 years, I dramaticly increase that chance.
Is that absolutely going to happen with this vaccine? I don't know, and probably not, but now we're back to that uncertainty.
And even if the chance stays the same relatively, if you subject yourself to that chance twice annually you are increasing the absolute chance
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:24 am to STEVED00
quote:Look man, I dont see how you cant tell that was my exact point when I said this:
Will there be anti vaccine people regardless sure but that number was amped up exponentially by the medical/govt community actions pre-vaccine.
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Bottom line is the group pushing the vaccine has done a terrible job of false messaging on the risk of the virus, which undermines their trust factor
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:26 am to lsupride87
Yea, but if you already had the infection then go get the shot; your chances go all the way up to .0913% 
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:28 am to lsupride87
I don’t want to argue. I’m just saying your tone was both sides are to blame equally. I’m saying one side is way more to blame. I would bet many extremely pro-vaccine people are hesitant bc of the BS they’ve been told the last year and a half. And those same people are even more hesitant when the same BS artists are now doubling down by mandating the vaccine bc people are NOT taking it.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:29 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:30 am to lsupride87
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So 1% out of 100,000 people who are not vaxxed will have a severe case IF they get infected.
And to avoid that everyone must be injected with an experimental drug which has not been in existence for even two years yet.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:31 am to lsupride87
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you have no data or medical basis to lean on
100% false. The data is out there and being presented around the world, at least where it is not censored. Of course that doesn't concern you at all does it. Only a fool believes they know everything. And right now, no one knows the long term effects of these vaccines. NO ONE.
I have had covid, did well with it, and still have antibodies. I don't need the vaccine. Here is your data on that.. LINK
And, those that had covid are much more likely to suffer more severe adverse effect from the vaccines. Here is your data again, Dr. Pride... LINK
The vaccine should be administered to our most vulnerable and those with comorbidities.
It absolutely should not be given to children and those who are young and healthy.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:31 am to STEVED00
quote:And they are as a whole
I’m just saying your tone was both sides are to blame equally.
People who stay quiet but not want the vaccine because of mistrust are simply not wanting it are completey not to blame, same with the pro vaccine proponents who have never falsified the actual virus risk. Neither of those groups of people are to blame at all IMHO
But the pro vaccine crowd who lies and continues to lie, and the anti-vax crowd that posts bullshite over and over are equally blamed
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:33 am to lsupride87
The chart tells me we have some real good vaccine candidates out there.
It also tells me mass vaccination is absurd.
People have a right to make their own choice with this vaccine.
It's a real stretch to even claim it's a debatable point.
And for kids? Give me a break.
Thank you for making the case for medical freedom.
It also tells me mass vaccination is absurd.
People have a right to make their own choice with this vaccine.
It's a real stretch to even claim it's a debatable point.
And for kids? Give me a break.
Thank you for making the case for medical freedom.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:33 am to deathvalleytiger10
quote:You had covid? What if 7 years down the road your head explodes because of having covid? PROVE THAT WONT HAPPEN
100% false. The data is out there and being presented around the world, at least where it is not censored. Of course that doesn't concern you at all does it. Only a fool believes they know everything. And right now, no one knows the long term effects of these vaccines. NO ONE.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
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But the pro vaccine crowd who lies and continues to lie, and the anti-vax crowd that posts bullshite over and over are equally blamed
Ok. I’m just saying the current vocal anti-vax crowd grew exponentially bc of what happened in the early stages of Covid.
There are not these kind of hesitancy issues with the MMR vaccine. True anti-vac crowd is against that one too. People are fed up with the BS they have been served and a pushing back extra hard bc of it.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:37 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:35 am to Tiger985
quote:I beleive in medical freedom, I just also beleive in logic
Thank you for making the case for medical freedom.
If your Doctor tells you to take tylenol for fever, you do it. 99.99999% chance the fever wont kill or hurt you, but you still do it.
Now, we say frick that bullshite.
Yeh yeh yeh, "LONG TERM EFFECTS"
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:36 am to lsupride87
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Well you might want to add the covid risk for this as well
.09%
So the vaccine actually helps to reduce this as well
quote:Those arguing against you have said the same exact thing since this whole thing started
And regardless, I think its impossible to not be exposed to the viral particles of covid at this point
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:41 am to lsupride87
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If your Doctor tells you to take tylenol for fever, you do it. 99.99999% chance the fever wont kill or hurt you, but you still do it.
Fever is a weapon against illness.
Most fevers should not be treated.
You are again making the medical freedom case.
I take it when I want it.
Keep going!
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:42 am to lsupride87
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You had covid? What if 7 years down the road your head explodes because of having covid? PROVE THAT WONT HAPPEN
What an intelligent statement. Would your pride and joy vaccine have prevented me from getting it?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:42 am to Tiger985
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You are again making the medical freedom case.
when has pride argued against the medical freedom case?
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