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re: Israel Pfizer efficacy against covid-19 hospitalizations broken down by age group
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:02 am to Salmon
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:02 am to Salmon
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6’2” 175? dude needs to hit the weight room.
I'M TRYING OK
6'2" 175 is a pretty normal weight.
Guy giving you shite is probably obese.
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:02 am to lsupride87
Great news! Glad that this is looking promising.
Still not getting one since it doesnt prevent the spread.
Still not getting one since it doesnt prevent the spread.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:03 am to c on z
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Who are these people trusting then for medical advice within this context?
No one. I look at the survival rate and realize I don’t need a medical degree to know.
Can’t trust anyone who’s paycheck and reputation is suddenly and obviously being held over their heads if they don’t comply with pushing vaccines. I didn’t make it this way, I’m just dealing with it.
Downvotes with no rebuttal. Cool. I have a 99.9+% chance of surviving, why would I bother getting a shot I don't need? Simple as can be.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:04 am to lsupride87
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Well you might want to add the covid risk for this as well
.09%
So the vaccine actually helps to reduce this as well
You need to discount the infection rate to that number for it to really be useful.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:04 am to TigahJay
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Careful…mouth breathers won’t like this one
a tad racist. might want to edit considering the vaccination rates by race.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:05 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Not really
You need to discount the infection rate to that number for it to really be useful.
the compared data is vaccine myocarditis per million and case infection myocarditis per million
And regardless, I think its impossible to not be exposed to the viral particles of covid at this point
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:07 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:05 am to MorbidTheClown
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7 Vaccinated Florida Patients Die of COVID; Nurse Calls Situation 'Disturbing'
newsweek
From your article linked:
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As of August 9, more than 166 million people in the U.S. have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. In that same time, the CDC said they received 8,054 reports of fully vaccinated people either being hospitalized or dying from the virus. The majority of these cases, 5,928—or 74 percent—were in people 65 years old or older.
So .00004852%
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:07 am to lsupride87
This data provides just one part of the equation.
Next, we would need to get data on obesity and any comorbidities for each age group, particularly those 50 and under.
So many more pieces to the puzzle.
Next, we would need to get data on obesity and any comorbidities for each age group, particularly those 50 and under.
So many more pieces to the puzzle.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:10 am to deathvalleytiger10
quote:While I agree this is important data to know how covid effects people, I dont know why this is important in regards of the vaccine
Next, we would need to get data on obesity and any comorbidities for each age group, particularly those 50 and under.
The vaccine reduced your risk period, and there is no data that shows it increases your risk for any other illness more than the virus
If you dont want the vaccine, I support that. But the truth is you dont want it because you simply dont want it, you have no data or medical basis to lean on, which is completely fine
I get somewhat nervous with flying, and I 100% admit its just because and not based on any actual data
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:10 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:12 am to lsupride87
Bottom line is the group pushing the vaccine has done a terrible job of false messaging on the risk of the virus, which undermines their trust factor
also
Bottom line is the group who doesnt want the vaccine has done a terrible job of sticking to actual facts which undermines their overall ability to look sane and reasonable
There are people in both groups who are sane and grounded, but the majority in each sullies the perception of both
also
Bottom line is the group who doesnt want the vaccine has done a terrible job of sticking to actual facts which undermines their overall ability to look sane and reasonable
There are people in both groups who are sane and grounded, but the majority in each sullies the perception of both
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:15 am to lsupride87
quote:Our risk of dying in a car crash is 1/5000, fwiw.
The vaccine reduced your risk period, and there is no data that shows it increases your risk for any other illness more than the virus
If you dont want the vaccine, I support that. But the truth is you dont want it because you simply dont want it, you have no data or medical basis to lean on, which is completely fine
I get somewhat nervous with flying, and I 100% admit its just because and not based on any actual data
I get your point. It's a safe vaccine. People need to get it who are at risk. But that risk is different for different people. And you are in the camp that just wants people to know when that it's okay and helpful (no matter how miniscule that help is) for most people. All good things.
Others use those arguments to backup calling people heartless and murderers because the vaccine is safe and you're risking others by not doing it. So mandates become "logical" for the safety of all. I know you're not going there, but it's an easy next step.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:17 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:15 am to lsupride87
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Bottom line is the group pushing the vaccine has done a terrible job of false messaging on the risk of the virus, which undermines their trust factor
also
Bottom line is the group who doesnt want the vaccine has done a terrible job of sticking to actual facts which undermines their overall ability to look sane and reasonable
You forgot to mention the groups pushing the vaccine actively lied and mislead the population in the early part of the pandemic which leads a lot to the current mistrust.
I’ll go back to HCQ. There was essentially nothing to lose trying it at the time. NOTHING. Yet is was quickly labeled false hope that a “pool cleaner” will cure Covid and people literally BANNED its use. Same with ivermectin. Horse paste to cure Covid. Push Posh.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:19 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:16 am to lsupride87
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Bottom line is the group pushing the vaccine has done a terrible job of false messaging on the risk of the virus, which undermines their trust factor
quote:Very well put.
Bottom line is the group who doesnt want the vaccine has done a terrible job of sticking to actual facts which undermines their overall ability to look sane and reasonable
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:16 am to lsupride87
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Not really
the compared data is vaccine myocarditis per million and case infection myocarditis per million
If I never get infected, I can't get Covid induced myocarditis.
For the sake of arguement if the infection rate is only 50%, then my chances of Covid induced myocarditis are cut in half, but my chnace of vaccine induced myocarditis have stayed the same.
You can't say it doesn't matter here, and use the "31 times less likely" arguement in favor of the vaccine when the reality is the 31 times less likely is so small in absolute terms its not particularly relevant either
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:16 am to STEVED00
quote:I did?
You forgot to mention the groups pushing the vaccine actively lied and mislead the population
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the group pushing the vaccine has done a terrible job of false messaging
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:19 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:In louisiana, we are closing in on the rate of infection roughly being 60%
For the sake of arguement if the infection rate is only 50%, then my chances of Covid induced myocarditis are cut in half, but my chnace of vaccine induced myocarditis have stayed the same.
If you want to do that and multiple the covid risk of myocarditis by 60%, it is STILL HIGHER THAN THAT OF THE VACCINE
And that isnt taking into account future infections are still being added
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
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Bottom line is the group pushing the vaccine has done a terrible job of false messaging on the risk of the virus, which undermines their trust factor
also
Bottom line is the group who doesnt want the vaccine has done a terrible job of sticking to actual facts which undermines their overall ability to look sane and reasonable
There are people in both groups who are sane and grounded, but the majority in each sullies the perception of both
good post ‘87
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:20 am to GumboPot
Ok, but look at the opposite. Given the extreme correlation with age and severity, if there wasn’t a push to vaccinate I would suspect there would be groups stating this was being done to allow older population to get sick and die.
Plenty of examples of vaccines that lessen the severity of the infection (look at the chicken pox vaccine) and aren’t 100% efficacious with regard to infectivity.
Assuming severe infection is a surrogate for death, it is clear that this vaccine offers some survival advantages.
But at the end of the day, this where informed decision making is a keystone to where we are now in general but there has always been an ethical debate about the role of individual patient autonomy vs “the public good”. We are seeing this played out with real life implications.
Plenty of examples of vaccines that lessen the severity of the infection (look at the chicken pox vaccine) and aren’t 100% efficacious with regard to infectivity.
Assuming severe infection is a surrogate for death, it is clear that this vaccine offers some survival advantages.
But at the end of the day, this where informed decision making is a keystone to where we are now in general but there has always been an ethical debate about the role of individual patient autonomy vs “the public good”. We are seeing this played out with real life implications.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:20 am to lsupride87
My point was that one lead to the other. If they don’t mislead us originally then the mistrust isn’t nearly as high.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:20 am to Klark Kent
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6’2” 175? dude needs to hit the weight room.
Not necessarily. In my early 30s, I was fighting to stay at, or above, 175 and was in the weight room 4-5 days a week. However, I also ran a minimum of 2 miles a day, and played various intramural sports.
Now, I don't run as often and am stuck in the 190s, but that's a different story
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