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re: Israel Pfizer efficacy against covid-19 hospitalizations broken down by age group
Posted on 8/18/21 at 4:49 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 8/18/21 at 4:49 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:The numbers are based on what they have seen in unvaxxed people in Israel in the latest wave(so it takes into account people who didn’t get the virus as well)not what would happen if you guaranteed an unvaxxed person got the virus
On second glance, something doesn’t jive with the numbers in the OP.
So some people are severely underestimating the severity of covid in hwre(even though it’s still low)
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 4:51 pm
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 4:59 pm to Tiguar
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132 admits a day is a fricking lot when the length of stay for covid is 4-12 days and you still have to take care of everyone else.
Yet hospitals aren’t out of capacity.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:00 pm to The Boat
quote:region 4 and 5 have 2 total ICU beds left
Yet hospitals aren’t out of capacity.
It’s actually truly critical there no matter what you want to convince yourself
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:02 pm to lsupride87
Mayo Clinic has a recent study that says the vaccine begins to break down by how long ago you were given the vaccine. Thats why Pfizer numbers are getting popped now, while Moderna seems more effective. Moderna numbers will soon be as low as Pfizer, since Pfizer was rolled out almost a month earlier. Also, explains why the elderly have higher rates, because they were the first vaccinated
quote:
People who received their second dose of the Pfizer vaccine five or more months ago are more likely to test positive for COVID-19 than people who were fully vaccinated less than five months ago, new data suggest. Researchers studied nearly 34,000 fully vaccinated adults.
At all ages, the odds of testing positive were higher when the last vaccine dose was received at least 146 days earlier, the research team reported. The odds of a positive test were almost three times higher when at least 146 days had passed since the second dose. Most of the new infections were observed recently, said coauthor Dr. Eugene Merzon
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:03 pm to lsupride87
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region 4 and 5 have 2 total ICU beds left
They should dust off some of their closed wards.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:07 pm to RobbBobb
quote:This is correct
Mayo Clinic has a recent study that says the vaccine begins to break down by how long ago you were given the vaccine. Thats why Pfizer numbers are getting popped now, while Moderna seems more effective. Moderna numbers will soon be as low as Pfizer, since Pfizer was rolled out almost a month earlier. Also, explains why the elderly have higher rates, because they were the first vaccinated
But similar to natural infection, waning immunity is more prevalent in those with compromised immune systems
Regardless, Israel showsPfizer is still very efficate againstsevere infection still
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:08 pm to lsupride87
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Regardless, Israel showsPfizer is still very efficate againstsevere infection still
Is it still effective still?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:12 pm to lsupride87
So for people under 40, the risks of a severe case was already low. But the vaccine effectively lowered that risk even lower to practically zero.
Sounds like a good reason to get the vaccine to me. Just my opinion.
Sounds like a good reason to get the vaccine to me. Just my opinion.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:14 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Against severe infection, yes. That’s the entire purpose of the study in the OP, to debunk lazy journalist throwing out efficacy rate without first stratifying the population.
Is it still effective still?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:16 pm to lsupride87
Still though?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:17 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:yes
Still though?
However, the over 70 crowd has seen a pretty material drop of 17% in sever case efficacy
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:19 pm to RobbBobb
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Moderna numbers will soon be as low as Pfizer, since Pfizer was rolled out almost a month earlier.
My 85 year old mother got her 1st shot of Moderna in Dec of 2020. MS had mostly Moderna when vaccinations started.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:20 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Still though?
doubtful
LINK
6 months after the vaccine we keep seeing significant drop in immunity
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:22 pm to rocket31
So frick all the Israel data right now rocket? 
The same country you have been praising the data of the last few weeks because you didn’t understand
This entire data study is based on current vaccine efficacy in Israel. CURRENT
So the numbers you are seeing in the OP are the CURRENT efficacy numbers against hospitalization
The same country you have been praising the data of the last few weeks because you didn’t understand
This entire data study is based on current vaccine efficacy in Israel. CURRENT
So the numbers you are seeing in the OP are the CURRENT efficacy numbers against hospitalization
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:30 pm to QJenk
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So for people under 40, the risks of a severe case was already low. But the vaccine effectively lowered that risk even lower to practically zero.
Sounds like a good reason to get the vaccine to me. Just my opinion.
That's how it should go. People should make a personal decision whether they want to get the vaccine or not.
Let me ask you (and anyone willing to answer) a question.
The vaccine is free. If it weren't free, how much would you be willing to pay for the vaccine to get the additional protection that the vaccine offers?
$50?
$200?
$500?
$1000?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:39 pm to lsupride87
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So frick all the Israel data right now rocket?
def not, i love the isreal data. it shows under 40 and healthy are being roped a doped by society to be forced into vaccine that is unnecessary.
this paper is also great because it shows that the largest declines in antibodies were from residents without prior natural infection. the charts are a good illustration but i dont have time right now to image host and post
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:51 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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But the messaging is if you aren't vaccinated you are committing suicide
…..and homicide, so I’ve heard.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:52 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Did you just add up the severe cases per 100k for 4 different age groups? That's not how you do that. You take a weighted average, not a sum. But since we don't know the population per group, we can get close by looking at the age ranges and assuming a roughly equal number of people per age. The first range includes 4 ages at 0.30 cases, the second 4 ages at 1.6, the third 10 ages at 1.5, and the fourth 10 ages at 6.2. That works out to (62+15+6.4+1.2)/28 = 3.02 per 100k for ages 12-39 together.
Ages 12-40 would have 10 serious cases per 100,000 according to this chart.
quote:Corrected for error above, it would be about 48 cases in Louisiana age 12-39. And that's active cases, not total cases.
Ages 12-49 account for about 35% of the state.
That means that if every single person in the state ages 12-40 were infected we would expect 161 serious cases.
quote:No, the data is per 100k total population, not per infected population.
That’s if 100% of the population was infected.
quote:You are doing this all wrong as pointed out above.
If 60% have been infected we would expect 96 serious cases under 40 (The entire pandemic up to this point)
quote:The numbers are correct. Again, these numbers are current hospitalizations per age group in Israel, not total hospitalized.
We know for a fact we have had way more serious cases than that in those age groups even though it is extremely rare. Something is off with those numbers.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:53 pm to moneyg
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The vaccine is free.
No it isn’t.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 5:56 pm to LSUtoBOOT
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quote: The vaccine is free. No it isn’t
Oh let me guess because we’re all paying for it via insurance premiums, taxes, etc.
Know what costs a lot more than a vaccine? A million dollar hospital bills from for some thick headed idiot on a vent with no insurance
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 6:01 pm
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