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re: Is undergrad college worth it?
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:53 am to SaintsTiger
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:53 am to SaintsTiger
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Plenty of people with liberal arts degrees or C students in the hard sciences end up working at Whole Foods or Starbucks.
That may be true sometimes. But I guarantee if you were to compare the average lifetime earnings of an individual with a liberal arts degree vs average earnings of someone with no college degree. I guarantee you the ones with the college degree wins.
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:01 pm to QJenk
You could be trained to do my job without a degree but you’re not going to ever set foot on the property for consideration without one. Military won’t talk to you either.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:03 pm to Nephropidae
Undergrad for all is definitely a terrible idea and overemphasized. There is far more utility and applicability in learning a trade than going to Oberlin for a minority studies degree. The overemphasis in pointless postgraduate degrees is even worse.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:06 pm to QJenk
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I don't agree with this. Some people are just passionate about the arts, history, and things of that sort. If they want to work a career in teaching or directing an art museum, then so be it. I don't see that as completely useless.
I agree but don’t whine to me about wanting your student loans canceled when this is what you signed up for.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:44 pm to QJenk
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But I guarantee if you were to compare the average lifetime earnings of an individual with a liberal arts degree vs average earnings of someone with no college degree. I guarantee you the ones with the college degree wins.
No question and folks on here seem to think it's a either/or situation with liberal arts degrees.Of course folks are gonna have more immediate success outta college with a engineering,accounting or MIS degree but I know several folks who've been very successful in the business world with degrees in Political Science,Econ,Psychology,Journalism,etc. It's a longer path at times and you're not gonna start off killing it but the degrees got them in door and were also important when it came to promotions or advancing in other fields and the connections and network they established in college were a huge help in their career.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:52 pm to Nephropidae
quote:Certainly if you aspire to go to graduate college
Is undergrad college worth it?
Make good grades in high school, earn a high ACT score and go to an inexpensive school. If you were raised well you’ll land a decent job.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:54 pm to Nephropidae
All depends on what they want to do.
If they want to be an engineer, cpa etc Then yea.
If they just want to go for general studies and don't know what they want to do....maybe not.
But I can tell you from someone that was int he trades after dropping out the first time....yea I really like my AC office and engineering job now. Much better than turning pipe in 95 degree heat or pulling wire in an attic in the summer.
If they want to be an engineer, cpa etc Then yea.
If they just want to go for general studies and don't know what they want to do....maybe not.
But I can tell you from someone that was int he trades after dropping out the first time....yea I really like my AC office and engineering job now. Much better than turning pipe in 95 degree heat or pulling wire in an attic in the summer.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:55 pm to bayoubengals88
Good point, posted here before but it doesn’t matter where you get your undergrad degree from. Go for cost efficiency. And for that matter, knock out core courses at a cc first.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:56 pm to lsu777
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yea I really like my AC office and engineering job now. Much better than turning pipe in 95 degree heat or pulling wire in an attic in the summer.
I had to move insulation in an attic in August, I'd kill myself if I had to do that shite everyday.
And for less money on average than I made my first year out of college. No thanks
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:56 pm to QJenk
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I guarantee you the ones with the college degree wins.
If all you care about is how much money you'll make, college isn't a good deal. If you're interested in learning, and you have a good bullshite filter, college can be awesome.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:57 pm to 777Tiger
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it doesn’t matter where you get your undergrad degree from
Sure it does. For the bottom 80%, maybe not, but it definitely matters.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:03 pm to lsu777
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But I can tell you from someone that was int he trades after dropping out the first time....yea I really like my AC office and engineering job now. Much better than turning pipe in 95 degree heat or pulling wire in an attic in the summer.
Not only that, but I’d love to see a study on how non college educated people spend their money vs. people with a bachelor’s, master’s, etc.
Sure, it’s great to make 120k/year in a trade, but I’ve seen a lot of these people spending 150k/year because they’re not financially literate, don’t possess impulse control, delayed gratification, etc.
Yet I make a moderate income, but intentionally live on 50-60% of it.
Who’s better off? I paid off my inexpensive undergrad degree just a few years after my “free” graduate degree.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:26 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Sure it does. For the bottom 80%, maybe not, but it definitely matters.
From a networking stand point it does, actual field knowledge.... not much if dealing with high iq individuals imo.
But from a networking ability....fricking absolutely it does. Big time.
Getting your foot in the door, future Opportunities, etc it matters big time.
People are being naive if they say other wise. Now does an engineering degree from gtech gonna mean more in South LA than one from LSU or say mcneese....doubtful and only gonna matter to get first job, from there it's all about the person.
I usually say to go to school where you plan to live or go instate and get cheapest you can really if in the south.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:36 pm to Nephropidae
It’s a no brainer. Not as much for the learning involved but for the doors it opens. Look at the Fortune 500 and tell me how many C level exec have college degrees vs not.
It’s not a game changer but it’s a differentiator. Send them to any school. Just get the degree.
It’s not a game changer but it’s a differentiator. Send them to any school. Just get the degree.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:36 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Sure it does. For the bottom 80%, maybe not, but it definitely matters.
Yep. Places like LaTech and ULM are perfectly fine schools, but there are a lot of doors closed to you if you go there for undergrad. Places like MBB and major investment banks aren’t doing on campus recruiting there. If you kill it academically and network well you might get a job at the KPMG office in Shreveport or get into a credit analyst program at a regional bank. Nothing wrong with either of those jobs, but it’s silly to pretend college choice has no effect on career trajectory.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:37 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Also I find these threads very telling. In general this board more and more represents South la in general and not just former lsu students and more and more we are seeing these threads which do not value education.
That's fine, I have done the trades and am one of the few from my group of friends from hs that graduated. But let's not try and act like the trades are a recipe for success for most, just like college isn't a recipe for success for some.
The trades require shite ton of work ethic, business sense that is not often found and a shite ton of other things to be successful and move beyond just being a master of the trade.
Sorry but $30-$40 isn't something special. The low expectations in this board now is laughable.
That's fine, I have done the trades and am one of the few from my group of friends from hs that graduated. But let's not try and act like the trades are a recipe for success for most, just like college isn't a recipe for success for some.
The trades require shite ton of work ethic, business sense that is not often found and a shite ton of other things to be successful and move beyond just being a master of the trade.
Sorry but $30-$40 isn't something special. The low expectations in this board now is laughable.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 1:41 pm to lsu777
You make a good living with blue collar jobs but it’s relentless work and you likely don’t get the upside of stocks and other benefits. The benefits add up over time and you can retire sooner. You have to factor in that when you’re in your 50s, you don’t want to be working your arse off. White collar jobs are designed for that if that’s what you want.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:19 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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You have to factor in that when you’re in your 50s, you don’t want to be working your arse off.
This recurring thread always highlights the benefits of a tradesman’s wage, but ignores how early it happens in one’s career. Not to mention you’re always one health issue away from finding yourself unemployable before you reach 50.
But to answer the original question, an undergrad is just as worth it (or important) as a high school diploma. A truly motivated individual who doesn’t want to lose four years to college should also skip high school and homeschool… with a GED at 14 or 15 you could get a decade jump in the workforce on someone taking the college route.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:31 pm to Nephropidae
I guess it depends on finances.
The females will have it easier finding scholarships. None exist for just being a male.
Knock out courses at a cc. Its so much cheaper and the general courses everyone takes will transfer.
The females will have it easier finding scholarships. None exist for just being a male.
Knock out courses at a cc. Its so much cheaper and the general courses everyone takes will transfer.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:35 pm to tigercross
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Places like MBB and major investment banks aren’t doing on campus recruiting there.
I was sent way more job offers from counselors at uno than at lsu.
I was actually impressed. They will even dress you and do mock interviews with you at the business college. They also had a higher rate of students passing the cpa exam on the first try than Tulane.
Truth hurts bitches.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 2:37 pm
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