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re: Is undergrad college worth it?
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:48 pm to Nephropidae
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:48 pm to Nephropidae
Depends on the kid and the curriculum. STEM, sure. I'll even include the A of digital arts if it includes graphic design and coding.
Liberal Arts? No.
Business? Maybe.
Liberal Arts? No.
Business? Maybe.
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:12 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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Liberal Arts? No.
The definition of liberal arts or your definition of liberal arts?
Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:17 pm to Obtuse1
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The definition of liberal arts or your definition of liberal arts?
A true liberal arts education is invaluable.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:39 pm to tigercross
Any 4 year degree gives you a check mark. I’ve seen English majors work in tech jobs and they’ll get hired based on experience regardless of what degree they have.
However, they won’t get hired without a degree almost 100% of the time.
However, they won’t get hired without a degree almost 100% of the time.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 4:52 pm to tigercross
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Yep. Places like LaTech and ULM are perfectly fine schools, but there are a lot of doors closed to you if you go there for undergrad. Places like MBB and major investment banks aren’t doing on campus recruiting there. If you kill it academically and network well you might get a job at the KPMG office in Shreveport or get into a credit analyst program at a regional bank. Nothing wrong with either of those jobs, but it’s silly to pretend college choice has no effect on career trajectory.
This.
This thread me inspired me to do some googling about Louisiana’s job market. 2nd to last in he Nation. Ahead of only Mississippi. What a joke. LINK
Get a degree outside of Louisiana.
ETA second worst for college grads to start a career
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:15 pm to siliconvalleytiger
quote:I guess I get it if you expect to work for someone else. Otherwise 4-6 years can go to real world experience, lessons and enterprise opportunities.
However, they won’t get hired without a degree almost 100% of the time.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:30 pm to Nephropidae
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Is undergrad college worth it?
Probably not.
Just get the masters and be done with it. It’s only 3 years while a bachelors is 4.
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 6:31 pm to tigercross
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Yep. Places like LaTech and ULM are perfectly fine schools, but there are a lot of doors closed to you if you go there for undergrad. Places like MBB and major investment banks aren’t doing on campus recruiting there. If you kill it academically and network well you might get a job at the KPMG office in Shreveport or get into a credit analyst program at a regional bank. Nothing wrong with either of those jobs, but it’s silly to pretend college choice has no effect on career trajectory.
Tech is very well respected in some fields and offers a few programs not available anywhere else in the state. My nephew is majoring in one of those programs and will have very good job prospects when he finishes. And Tech has so far avoided most of the woke nonsense that LSU has fallen victim to.
FWIW the only Harvard Law grad I know personally got their undergrad from ULL. Just like athletics, if you're an academic star you'll be noticed wherever you happen to be. I agree that a middle of the pack student at Rice will have better prospects than a middle of the pack student at most state schools in the region.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:42 pm to cgrand
quote:Bingo
if any of your 6 are mechanically inclined
-master plumber
-master electrician
-HVAC technician
-CNC machine operator/designer
-3D printer operator/designer
none of those require a degree but they do require talent and hard work. And those trades offer the ultimate American dream...business ownership
A shitload of people confuse a bachelors degree with American dream. A bachelors degree is likely to lead to boring middle management jobs for the rest of their lives.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:46 pm to GreenRockTiger
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Dad of 6 here
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I have 6 too
Posted on 8/14/21 at 7:50 pm to Nephropidae
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Dad of 6 here
You Mormon? BYU is cheap if so
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:36 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:I get it... and I read this as written with a little sarcasm... but all of which you mentioned can be learned on Google, YouTube, and online resources.
No tell your kids to go to trade school and become plumbers or HVAC people. There's no reason for your kids to get educated beyond high school. Can't let then get exposed to weird things like anthropology or political science or learn about the universe in a general education astronomy course. No reason for them to learn stuff and be exposed to different ideas. No reason them to study the history of Europe or Asia at the college level and no reason for them to learn statistics and how to write at a college level.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:40 pm to Nephropidae
Yes how else would I have gotten my mba
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:49 pm to Obtuse1
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The definition of liberal arts or your definition of liberal arts?
This definition.
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A liberal arts degree includes the study of history, literature, writing, philosophy, sociology, psychology, creative arts and more.
I'd argue that an undergrad degree in these fields is not worth much more than a general studies degree. Especially because you're not likely to get far in those fields without at least a masters.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:52 pm to Nephropidae
Damn dude you’re still milking this thread? We get it, you don’t see the value of a college education. It’s clear from your responses that you’re more interested in making a point about YouTube videos and small business ownership than actually seeking advice on the subject.
If you’re convinced that 1) your baws are smart and will definitely be among the 1% of Americans who start their own business (and 0.1% that last longer than 10 years) and 2) that college is a waste of their time, then by all means go for it. Tell them you aren’t paying for it and they need to learn a trade.
Just know that if they aren’t in that 0.1-1%, they are statistically likely to earn less over their careers, work longer hours, and reach their ceiling sooner. Also know that their chances of ever earning a college degree plummet every year after high school that they aren’t enrolled.
If you’re convinced that 1) your baws are smart and will definitely be among the 1% of Americans who start their own business (and 0.1% that last longer than 10 years) and 2) that college is a waste of their time, then by all means go for it. Tell them you aren’t paying for it and they need to learn a trade.
Just know that if they aren’t in that 0.1-1%, they are statistically likely to earn less over their careers, work longer hours, and reach their ceiling sooner. Also know that their chances of ever earning a college degree plummet every year after high school that they aren’t enrolled.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:58 pm to Finchboyz
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What other time is it cool to do drugs and sleep with questionable women for 4 years?
Why put a time limit on it?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:20 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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A liberal arts degree includes the study of history, literature, writing, philosophy, sociology, psychology, creative arts and more.
Schools would do well to create a modern "liberal arts" curriculum that provided a meaningful educational foundation, covering the essentials for modern adulthood: basic finance, accounting, economics, tech/digital literacy, logic, ethics, etc.
I'd even include basic plumbing, electrics, carpentry, and vehicle maintenance.
Most of the traditional liberal arts should be electives, not core classes. You want to learn about Shakespearean symbolism, thats the internet and libraries are for. Do it own your own time.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:28 pm to Nephropidae
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I get it... and I read this as written with a little sarcasm... but all of which you mentioned can be learned on Google, YouTube, and online resources.
So can damn near anything else. What’s your point?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:28 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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A liberal arts degree includes the study of history, literature, writing, philosophy, sociology, psychology, creative arts and more.
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I'd argue that an undergrad degree in these fields is not worth much more than a general studies degree. Especially because you're not likely to get far in those fields without at least a masters.
Many, if not a majority, of people that run this country in both the public and private sectors have liberal arts degrees.
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