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re: Is undergrad college worth it?
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:23 pm to MrSpock
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:23 pm to MrSpock
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Is this correct?
Welding is like most other trades and professions. I know lawyers that have been working for 25 years and barely make half of what a first-year associate makes in a Biglaw firm.
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:25 pm to Nephropidae
It depends on what they want to be. If they want to be the following:
Engineer
Lawyer
Doctor
Architect
Teacher
Media (not everything in media, but I am speaking in general).
Nurse
Dentist
NFL Player
Finance (accounting)
And a few other professions I might be forgetting then yes they have to go to college, however; there are other professions in which they can make a good living and go to a tech school.
With that said, I know several people who didn't finish HS who built really successful businesses.
I have a 2nd cousin who lives in Mississippi who quit school in the 9th grade and built a seafood company in which he had several shrimp boats, oyster boats, fish, etc.. He is located in Bay St Louis and after losing a lot when Katrina hit, he scaled down his business because he was on the tail end of his career, but he did a lot better than people with college degrees.
A good friend of mine's brother in law didn't graduate HS. He is truly a self taught man. When he wants to learn something, he reads everything he can and he figures things out on his own. He built a company that does commercial and industrial mechanical work in which he designs the AC & heating systems for businesses.
I would imagine each kid is different and it all depends on what they want to be and what type of people they are.
Engineer
Lawyer
Doctor
Architect
Teacher
Media (not everything in media, but I am speaking in general).
Nurse
Dentist
NFL Player
Finance (accounting)
And a few other professions I might be forgetting then yes they have to go to college, however; there are other professions in which they can make a good living and go to a tech school.
With that said, I know several people who didn't finish HS who built really successful businesses.
I have a 2nd cousin who lives in Mississippi who quit school in the 9th grade and built a seafood company in which he had several shrimp boats, oyster boats, fish, etc.. He is located in Bay St Louis and after losing a lot when Katrina hit, he scaled down his business because he was on the tail end of his career, but he did a lot better than people with college degrees.
A good friend of mine's brother in law didn't graduate HS. He is truly a self taught man. When he wants to learn something, he reads everything he can and he figures things out on his own. He built a company that does commercial and industrial mechanical work in which he designs the AC & heating systems for businesses.
I would imagine each kid is different and it all depends on what they want to be and what type of people they are.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:26 pm to tadman
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The benefits of a college education were the network it got me, learning how to network better, soft skills, etc... I have had quite a few hookups in life because I worked the connection magic like crazy, and I wish I had done more!
This
The connections I made in college and even in HS were far more important than what I learned.
Helped me immensely when it came to finding jobs and closing accounts in my sales career.Got in multiple doors that I could not have w/out those connections and network.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:27 pm to Obtuse1
If a small town lawyer plays his cards right, he can make a pretty good living without working very hard at all.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:31 pm to Nephropidae
unless you are a highly motivated individual in some sort of STEM field, or actually have an idea for a business you want to start but don't know details of how to start and run it, college isn't worth it for you
Posted on 8/13/21 at 9:35 pm to OweO
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With that said, I know several people who didn't finish HS who built really successful businesses
Sure but those people are far and away the exception and not the rule.
HS dropouts are far more likely to end up in poverty,in jail and locked out of the American dream.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:04 pm to jkylejohnson
quote:I learned to code at 30 and it’s completely changed my life. I would love it if all my kids wanted to learn to code.
the obligatory “learn to code”.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:09 pm to Nephropidae
Nope join the service get the free money veterans pref debt free
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:12 pm to Nephropidae
One approach is to make them earn the right to attend via AP courses for college credit, scholarships, grants, whatever. If they can’t make that showing then they’ll have to make other plans, like tech/community college first.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:17 pm to Nephropidae
You can build up a resume/referrals at 18 to 23. If you like reading and really passionate about a subject then college is for you.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:18 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:
If a small town lawyer plays his cards right, he can make a pretty good living without working very hard at all.
I absolutely agree with this. There are many that carve out well-paying law practices in smaller towns with a fairly low-stress lifestyle. I was just pointing out that a lot of lawyers work their entire careers and never make the $200k per year plus benefits a 1st year associate makes in Biglaw today right out of school just like a lot of welders never make the big money because they don't have the upper level skills and certs and/or don't want to work the hours or contract work in order to have a better work-life balance.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:23 pm to RD Dawg
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Sure but those people are far and away the exception and not the rule.
Of course, but I was just saying everyone is different and it was just an example of how people can be successful without going to college..
I remember in HS, there was a kid I went to school with since we were in kindergarten (a black dude nicknamed flea bag... That was his nickname since kindergarten). He was an average student.. As soon he was old enough he quit school and became a mechanic.
He played football in HS, was actually pretty good. After the season was over (I think his junior year) without telling anyone.. He quit. His daddy was a mechanic. He went talk to the football coach to thank him and the coach tried to talk him into staying and he said that's what he wanted to do and there was no reason for him to wait another year and a half when he could start training and working now and a year later, when everyone in his class would still be in school, he would be working a full time job.
But a lot more kids quit because they were grades behind, they had no hope and they didn't give a damn about an education and there was no one in their live to guide them in the right direction.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:29 pm to Nephropidae
I may be a bit biased, in the sense that I work in higher education. But for the majority of people, yes it is worth it.
People love to say just go to trade school and you'll be more successful. But there are just as many people with no degree who has made a career working fast food or a grocery store. At the pinnacle of their career after working for 13 years, they finally get promoted to assistant manager to make $16/hr.
Introduce your child to a wide variety of career options. Talk to them about the pros and cons of each. Discuss what it takes to reach that career. Discuss if this is a high earning field or not.
Community colleges are ok. Many state schools are ok. They don't have to go to the most expensive school in the state in order for them to be successful.
People love to say just go to trade school and you'll be more successful. But there are just as many people with no degree who has made a career working fast food or a grocery store. At the pinnacle of their career after working for 13 years, they finally get promoted to assistant manager to make $16/hr.
Introduce your child to a wide variety of career options. Talk to them about the pros and cons of each. Discuss what it takes to reach that career. Discuss if this is a high earning field or not.
Community colleges are ok. Many state schools are ok. They don't have to go to the most expensive school in the state in order for them to be successful.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:38 pm to QJenk
quote:
People love to say just go to trade school and you'll be more successful. But there are just as many people with no degree who has made a career working fast food or a grocery store. At the pinnacle of their career after working for 13 years, they finally get promoted to assistant manager to make $16/hr.
Plenty of people with liberal arts degrees or C students in the hard sciences end up working at Whole Foods or Starbucks. Many go on to trade school after graduation.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:48 pm to SaintsTiger
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Plenty of people with liberal arts degrees or C students in the hard sciences end up working at Whole Foods or Starbucks. Many go on to trade school after graduation.
Please post your evidence
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:48 pm to UltimaParadox
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Liberal arts degree not so much.
There is a lot of misunderstanding around a liberal arts education. Many associate it only with the social science/humanities but math, stats, biology, chemistry, and physics are all part of the liberal arts.
My undergrad liberal arts college sent about 20% of grads to med school. There was a dual degree program with Georgia Tech in Engineering then, now they have the same program with Columbia and Clemson in Engineering.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 10:54 pm to Nephropidae
It’s only necessary for a handful of trades…doctor, engineer, etc. Most everyone else is wasting money on the experience.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 11:01 pm to Nephropidae
Get them to play soccer. They handout juco schollies to anyone.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:47 am to Nephropidae
That 1st year was worth every penny. 
Posted on 8/14/21 at 12:53 am to Jim Rockford
Real world example. I know a guy who went to a juco to play sports with the intention of going on to a 4 year school. But he got offered a pretty good job after getting his associates degree and never went back. It never hindered him and he made steady upward career progress until he got laid off in a company wide reorganization. He went from making six figures to not being able to get an interview. He's been out of work for three years and his prospects don't look good for anything approaching his former salary and responsibility. He's a middle aged guy without a bachelor's degree and that's reason enough for him not to make the callback list.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 12:58 am
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