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Is it time to reconsider mandatory public high school education?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:01 am
First off, let me say that I am a huge proponent of the idea that any child who wants to go to school and get a good education, should get the ability to do that, regardless of where they live, their parent situation, etc. At the full expense of the state. Education is the ONE way that poor students can pull themselves up.
Under current LA law, students are required to attend school until they turn 18 or graduate high school, whichever happens first.
With parental consent, 17 year olds can also drop out.
A significant amount time, resources, and attention is paid to a relatively small number of high school students who don't know how to act, don't want to act right, and in all reality, don't want to be in school. They don't want to go to class, do homework, play sports, join the band, etc. They are only there because they are forced to be there, and while they are there, they are screwing up things for the vast majority of kids who DO want to be there.
In most Louisiana public high schools, you can learn a trade if you want and get put on an alternative diploma path. So if the typical education pattern isn't right for them, they hafve options.
But these kids don't want that either. They don't want to be there. And due to state and federal law, they have to be. And most of these kids - and their idiot parent - now know how to get their kid on a "behavior plan" and despite that sounding like a good idea, it's basically a get out of jail free card. It's insanely hard - due to state and federal law - to punish a kid on a behavior plan, much less kick them out.
Something has to give.
As a society, we need to change our focus. We need to focus on the 90 percent of kids who WANT to be in school and want to be successful. Tell the 10 percent to shape up, or they can get out.
If a kid doesn't want to attend school after 8th grade and that kid is doing nothing but causing trouble, let them go.
Under current LA law, students are required to attend school until they turn 18 or graduate high school, whichever happens first.
With parental consent, 17 year olds can also drop out.
A significant amount time, resources, and attention is paid to a relatively small number of high school students who don't know how to act, don't want to act right, and in all reality, don't want to be in school. They don't want to go to class, do homework, play sports, join the band, etc. They are only there because they are forced to be there, and while they are there, they are screwing up things for the vast majority of kids who DO want to be there.
In most Louisiana public high schools, you can learn a trade if you want and get put on an alternative diploma path. So if the typical education pattern isn't right for them, they hafve options.
But these kids don't want that either. They don't want to be there. And due to state and federal law, they have to be. And most of these kids - and their idiot parent - now know how to get their kid on a "behavior plan" and despite that sounding like a good idea, it's basically a get out of jail free card. It's insanely hard - due to state and federal law - to punish a kid on a behavior plan, much less kick them out.
Something has to give.
As a society, we need to change our focus. We need to focus on the 90 percent of kids who WANT to be in school and want to be successful. Tell the 10 percent to shape up, or they can get out.
If a kid doesn't want to attend school after 8th grade and that kid is doing nothing but causing trouble, let them go.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:03 am to LSUFanHouston
We need to change it up and realize that not everyone needs to go to college. You pretty much know by middle school who is cut out for college or not. If not, starting in middle school they diverge down the trade path, with classes focused on financial literacy and life skills into specialized trades by high school.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:07 am to LSUFanHouston
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It's insanely hard - due to state and federal law - to punish a kid on a behavior plan, much less kick them out.
This is very true. I have so much respect for the teachers and school leaders who have to put up with poorly behaved kids with IEPs. They have more patience than I will ever have.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:07 am to beerJeep
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We need to change it up and realize that not everyone needs to go to college. You pretty much know by middle school who is cut out for college or not. If not, starting in middle school they diverge down the trade path, with classes focused on financial literacy and life skills into specialized trades by high schoo
We are getting better at that. Sure there is room for improvement.
But there are some kids that don't seem to want that, either.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:09 am to LSUFanHouston
Parents have to work…who’s going to watch the kids?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:11 am to LSUFanHouston
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child who wants to go to school and get a good education, should get the ability to do that
Most don't want that and the parents don't give a shite as long as they get that free daycare service and meal plan.
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At the full expense of the state
The state can't trim a tree properly.
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A significant amount time, resources, and attention is paid to a relatively small number of high school students who don't know how to act, don't want to act right, and in all reality, don't want to be in school
This is why the above shouldn't happen.
I'm all for kids education but honestly the school system currently is broken. More focus should be on trades and life skills.
TBF a lot of the problems are on the parents as well. This isn't just an education system problem.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:11 am to Gaston
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who’s going to watch the kids?
They are in high school, they can watch themselves.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:13 am to jaytothen
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TBF a lot of the problems are on the parents as well. This isn't just an education system problem
Ultimately it's almost all on the parent(s).
The best school system in the world can't make up for crappy parenting.
We need to stop trying to do so, especially if the kid / parent doesn't want that.
We are screwing thre 90% of kids who do want to be there.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:13 am to LSUFanHouston
I believe students who do not show any interest in academic pursuits by freshman year of high school and who are chronically causing trouble should be diverted to a trade school where they can at least learn a functional skill rather than disrupt those who are trying to learn.
Those who are chronically violent or gang affiliated shouldn't be in a school at all.
Those who are chronically violent or gang affiliated shouldn't be in a school at all.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:14 am to beerJeep
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You pretty much know by middle school who is cut out for college or not.
I could tell by the time they finish 3rd grade.
I taught here in BR in the inner city schools for 22 years and I have been saying that something drastic needs to happen with public education for some time now.
If a child can not master the multiplication tables up to 12 and do long division by the 5th grade then they are not quality university material ,sorry if I stub some toes there.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:14 am to LSUFanHouston
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Is it time to reconsider mandatory public high school education?
Get rid of the Dept of Ed and the unions and the problems go away.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:14 am to Wtodd
TRADE SCHOOLS IF FAILING PROFICIENCY AFTER 9th GRADE
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:19 am to LSUFanHouston
We generally don't give minors the authority to make important decisions concerning their lives.
I don't think it's appropriate to give them that authority on this issue.
I don't think it's appropriate to give them that authority on this issue.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:19 am to tide06
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I believe students who do not show any interest in academic pursuits by freshman year of high school and who are chronically causing trouble should be diverted to a trade school where they can at least learn a functional skill rather than disrupt those who are trying to learn.
I get what you’re saying but that would be abused. Take away tax dollars to schools and make it a choice for parents. If a juvenile gets in trouble when they should be in school, or as a minor, charge the parents.
We don’t punish criminals yet wonder why we have accountability issues in our country.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:19 am to Wtodd
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Get rid of the Dept of Ed and the unions and the problems go away.
That's lazy talk.
Yes, there is overregulation in schools, it's a big problem, but a lot of that comes from the fact that school admins, left to their own devices, would be even worse.
And the unions... outside of a few major urban districts, the unions have no pull these days. And these problems aren't being caused by teachers / union members anyways, they are being caused by misbehaving teenagers.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:21 am to Salviati
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We generally don't give minors the authority to make important decisions concerning their lives.
I don't think it's appropriate to give them that authority on this issue.
Then require parental consent. Don't parents know best?
And if the parents don't consent, and the kid continues to be a problem, no more IEP. Throw the kids out.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:21 am to LSUFanHouston
Regulation should be handled by the elected school board. We are way over regulated.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:21 am to Wtodd
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Get rid of the Dept of Ed and the unions and the problems go away.
It is so easy! All those failing students will magically turn around and start becoming involved and productive once the Federal Dept of Education and teachers unions are eliminated!
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:21 am to LSUFanHouston
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Tell the 10 percent to shape up, or they can get out.
got a link to these stats ?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:21 am to BourreTheDog
Trade schools and military are the solution, but at some point it all comes back to parenting.
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