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re: Is it time to reconsider mandatory public high school education?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 12:54 pm to High C
Posted on 8/21/23 at 12:54 pm to High C
quote:Our Superintendent makes 80K
Yeah, I don’t know what that’s about. I’ve been a social studies teacher in Louisiana public schools for 28 years, and I make right at $60k
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Posted on 8/21/23 at 1:08 pm to wfallstiger
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How about 2 year mandatory military service
This terrible idea always comes up. Last thing we need right now is military coping with incompetent unwilling conscripts. Go back and look at the toll the draft took on the Vietnam era Army. This often gets promoted by those that either never served or did so decades ago and look back fondly and think it is the solution for all of America's youth. Let the teachers teach and the military concentrate on the profession of arms. 2 year enlistees are of no value added (actually a significant resource drain) to the modern services which is why Germany and others have cut their programs.
Besides, I dont want a government with the power to involuntarily take years of citizens' adult lives unless the nation is under an existential threat requiring mobilization of society.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 1:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
the real problem is a population of people who consider wellfare a career path. When that's the case, what incentive to these parents have to push their kids in school and if there is no push at home what young kid is going to self-motivate?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 1:25 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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This terrible idea always comes up. Last thing we need right now is military coping with incompetent unwilling conscripts. Go back and look at the toll the draft took on the Vietnam era Army. This often gets promoted by those that either never served or did so decades ago and look back fondly and think it is the solution for all of America's youth. Let the teachers teach and the military concentrate on the profession of arms. 2 year enlistees are of no value added (actually a significant resource drain) to the modern services which is why Germany and others have cut their programs.
Besides, I dont want a government with the power to involuntarily take years of citizens' adult lives unless the nation is under an existential threat requiring mobilization of society.
terrible idea, dunno why people promote it.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 2:54 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Quality is an important word in the real world.
Define it in measurable terms. If you can't define it in measurable terms, it's an emotionally driven trope.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 3:21 pm to brewhan davey
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They have more patience than I will ever have.
You mean you wouldn’t have the patience to deal with a kid throw a textbook at your face and receive no consequences because it was a “manifestation of his disability”?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 3:46 pm to dgnx6
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JOB TITLE SALARY RANGE AVERAGE SALARY COMPANY NAME Executive Director $152,770 - $194,824 $173,370 Louisiana Department of Education Director, Communications $143,835 - $181,735 $161,741 Louisiana Department of Education Executive Director, Strategy $132,678 - $152,884 $142,372 Louisiana Department of Education Social Studies Teacher $118,845 - $148,457 $132,806 Louisiana Department of Education Program Director $105,313 - $172,076 $132,795 Louisiana Department of Education Program Consultant $112,876 - $148,431 $130,455 Louisiana Department of Education Senior Administrative Specialist $110,087 - $137,890 $124,601 Louisiana Department of Education Procurement Specialist III $111,027 - $135,862 $124,020 Louisiana Department of Education Attorney $103,996 - $137,528 $121,247 Louisiana Department of Education Program Manager, Education $88,203 - $131,708 $107,523 Louisiana Department of Education
I'm a teacher in Louisiana. You want to know how much those high paid people at the Louisiana Dept of Education have helped to improve the quality of education during my teaching years? ZERO
They are good at creating worthless, time-consuming tasks such as SLT's however.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 3:53 pm to QJenk
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I hate it, but many high schools are nothing but a glorified day care. The system is broken, I admit. But what is the solution, however?
A good start would be to segregate (sorry, politically incorrect word) the students that are discipline problems into separate classes from the other students. This will accomplish two things, they won't disrupt the other students, and they won't have as much of an audience to act out in front of. Some of them may even get the idea that their actions have consequences (not many). And they will serve as examples to other students, not in a good way. It will suck for the teachers that have to watch them for the day, but they can let them sleep, play on their phones, etc., if they don't want to learn, and can't behave. I would be willing to bet that the overall school test scores would improve dramatically. And the ones that aren't reached are already basically unreachable, so not much change with them.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 3:56 pm to LSUFanHouston
Send the chronically delinquent students to boot camps.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 4:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
Let them get through high school so they are at least given the same opportunity as everyone else. But by the time they are 16, any charge involving a weapon should be tried as an adult. If they are engaging in that behavior by that age, they are almost certainly a lost cause. By 18, they need a mandatory minimum of 6 months in jail for any crimes involving theft or a weapon. Second offense is a minimum of 5 years and an automatic felony. Third offense of a violent crime involving theft or a weapon, and life should be on the table.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 4:54 pm to Tupelo
quote:Like AP classes?
A good start would be to segregate (sorry, politically incorrect word) the students that are discipline problems into separate classes from the other students
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:03 pm to StringedInstruments
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You mean you wouldn’t have the patience to deal with a kid throw a textbook at your face and receive no consequences because it was a “manifestation of his disability”?
I'd lose patience long before it got to that point
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
Absolutely yes.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 7:07 pm to Salviati
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We generally don't give minors the authority to make important decisions concerning their lives. I don't think it's appropriate to give them that authority on this issue.
Was thinking same thing but didn’t wanna say anything. It’s amazing what people believe based on if they like the idea or not.
I’ve read entire threads on here about kids shouldn’t be allowed make live altering decisions, but since ppl like this idea, poof kids can make decisions that affect the rest of their lives.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 7:54 pm to LemmyLives
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Define it in measurable terms. If you can't define it in measurable terms, it's an emotionally driven trope.
Quality pre-K is really not hard to define at all. There are real, important goals. For example, kids coming to kindergarten need to know the alphabet and be able to count to 20. Many don't.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 9:04 pm to Quatrepot
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A good start would be to segregate (sorry, politically incorrect word) the students that are discipline problems into separate classes from the other students
Like AP classes?
On a much larger scale, yes. The students in the normal classes deserve to be spared from the discipline problem kids, too.
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