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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)
Posted on 3/1/23 at 4:43 pm to Stidham8
Posted on 3/1/23 at 4:43 pm to Stidham8
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That’s all that matters. You think he’s guilty as hell but are going to let him walk?
Yea, the civilian me thinks he's guilty. It's easy for me to sit here from the comfort of my office and say he's guilty because it LOOKS like he's a shithead and probably killed them or had them killed.
If I'm a juror, though, that's a different story. I'd have a solemn responsibility to keep my personal beliefs and opinions out of it and simply rely on the evidence at hand. From what I've seen presented, the evidence leaves lots of room for reasonable doubt. There's no admission, there's no video, there's no witness saying they saw him do it or heard him brag about it or even one that claims he paid them to do it. There's tons of evidence that points to him being shady as hell but I don't think I've seen anything that unequivocally says he's guilty, from an official standpoint. I don't think I could vote to send someone to prison for the rest of their life based on "well he probably did it because he's a shithead and has always been a shithead".
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 4:46 pm to TDsngumbo
He lied to police for months about not being at the dog kennels.
Reasonable doubt doesn’t mean every possible doubt. It’s not reasonable to think someone else did it based off of his lies and the arguments the prosecution laid out.
Reasonable doubt doesn’t mean every possible doubt. It’s not reasonable to think someone else did it based off of his lies and the arguments the prosecution laid out.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 4:47 pm to KosmoCramer
Re motive:
Go way, way back when the lawyer for Mallory Beach's family was on the stand. Did he say this under oath, or did I (maybe) read this in an auxilliary interview with him?
Planned for some time was his side's examination of the Murdaugh family finances planned for four days after the double murder. We did hear from Maggie Murdaugh's housekeeper (?Edisto house) that Maggie was terrified of that lawsuit because she said the family didn't have that much money.
Did the Jury hear the Beach family lawyer say that after the murders there was no way that examination could have happened and that any subsequent trial he knew the Beach's would lose because of sympathy for the Murdaughs.
This came up because Alex Murdaugh told first responders that he knew who did it, it was because people blamed his son for the accident that killed Mallory.
Was that a deflection on Alex Murdaugh's part?
Go way, way back when the lawyer for Mallory Beach's family was on the stand. Did he say this under oath, or did I (maybe) read this in an auxilliary interview with him?
Planned for some time was his side's examination of the Murdaugh family finances planned for four days after the double murder. We did hear from Maggie Murdaugh's housekeeper (?Edisto house) that Maggie was terrified of that lawsuit because she said the family didn't have that much money.
Did the Jury hear the Beach family lawyer say that after the murders there was no way that examination could have happened and that any subsequent trial he knew the Beach's would lose because of sympathy for the Murdaughs.
This came up because Alex Murdaugh told first responders that he knew who did it, it was because people blamed his son for the accident that killed Mallory.
Was that a deflection on Alex Murdaugh's part?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 4:51 pm to Stidham8
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Reasonable doubt doesn’t mean every possible doubt. It’s not reasonable to think someone else did it based off of his lies and the arguments the prosecution laid out.
Gotta give it to ya, when you put it that way you sound right.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 4:53 pm to TDsngumbo
Thank you sir.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 4:57 pm to real turf fan
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Did the Jury hear the Beach family lawyer say that after the murders there was no way that examination could have happened and that any subsequent trial he knew the Beach's would lose because of sympathy for the Murdaughs.
There was a hearing scheduled for June 10th. AM said it was a hearing on venue. Tinsley said that he was pushing hard for a motion to compel the financial records of AM. Tinsley said that after the murders, he feared that the hearing was going to be thrown out and if it did happen, he knew that any juror and the court would side with AM.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 5:01 pm to Stidham8
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Reasonable doubt doesn’t mean every possible doubt. It’s not reasonable to think someone else did it based off of his lies and the arguments the prosecution laid out.
That's a really good point about "reasonable" when it comes down to did he pull the trigger or not. Just from my following of the trial, I still don't know that he didn't have cousin Eddie or somebody with him, or with somebody else, or he was there and observed but didn't pull a trigger or etc. I just don't know what the hell happened, that's why I'd have to vote not guilty even though he obviously knows what happened
Posted on 3/1/23 at 5:28 pm to Stidham8
I find it totally believeable that his anger and resentment got the best of him and he finally freaked and killed them.
I can see him being of the mindset that he worked, he provided his family with a priveleged lifestyle that they all took full advantage of and then Paul and Maggie had the nerve to confront him about bags of pills? And that's after Paul's actions that caused the boat crash were about to lead to the revelation of all of his theft?
He was, without a doubt, at the kennels minutes before the shots were fired. If it wasn't him, who was it?
I can see him being of the mindset that he worked, he provided his family with a priveleged lifestyle that they all took full advantage of and then Paul and Maggie had the nerve to confront him about bags of pills? And that's after Paul's actions that caused the boat crash were about to lead to the revelation of all of his theft?
He was, without a doubt, at the kennels minutes before the shots were fired. If it wasn't him, who was it?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 5:55 pm to TDsngumbo
I don’t know given all that’s come out that someone can’t think he didn’t commit the murders, or at the very least help plan the execution of them.
He would have to be the unluckiest guy in the world to be completely innocent.
He would have to be the unluckiest guy in the world to be completely innocent.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:03 pm to ILurkThereforeIAm
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I can see him being of the mindset that he worked, he provided his family with a priveleged lifestyle that they all took full advantage of and then Paul and Maggie had the nerve to confront him about bags of pills?
There’s a video on YouTube of LEO going through their garbage the morning after, and there is a torn bank card statement. One of the charges on it was for 1k for something by Gucci.
Now maybe he bought it for Maggie, but if not, there is ample evidence that she had no clue about the family finances. Never fooled with the check book, or anything like that.
That could be just one of many instances where he resented her, especially if she was just realizing-or about to reallize-because of the boat case, how bad the money situation was.
Three houses, and tons of toys. Guns, vehicles, trips, athletic events, it seems as if they denied themselves nothing. Not to mention still financing his kids and their lifestyles.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:07 pm to TDsngumbo
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I'd have a bigger responsibility and I would have reasonable doubt that he is the one who pulled the trigger
Him lying about the kennels is what I think what is going to sway the jury. If your wife and son are blown away, wouldn’t you do everything you could, share every bit of info, to help the cops?
I thought that Waters did an excellent job of illustrating all of Alex’s lies, especially with LEO.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:11 pm to m57
If AM was there at the time of the murders, He's guilty. Doesn't even matter if someone else pulled the trigger. That to me is irrelavent.
If he was there, he had to be involved, knew the killer, if not himself, etc.
If he was there, he had to be involved, knew the killer, if not himself, etc.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:15 pm to Nawlens Gator
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If AM was there at the time of the murders, He's guilty. Doesn't even matter if someone else pulled the trigger. That to me is irrelavent.
Well its one of the requirements by law for him to be convicted of this crime. So it is very relevant.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:42 pm to TDsngumbo
Oh I’d convict him for being a lifelong shithead alone. I also think he probably killed his wife and son. But I know beyond a reasonable doubt that SOB should spend the rest of his miserable life taking it up the poop chute from Bubba in the prison shower.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:50 pm to TDsngumbo
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but I don't think I've seen anything that unequivocally says he's guilty,
That’s not the standard for the jury. “Beyond a reasonable doubt,” is well shy of “unequivocal.”
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There's no admission, there's no video, there's no witness saying they saw him do it or heard him brag about it or even one that claims he paid them to do it.
If you need a confession, video of the crime, or eye witness testimony, then you aren’t
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simply rely on the evidence at hand.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 7:39 pm to Pax Regis
But he’s on trial for murder, not for being a lifelong shithead
Posted on 3/1/23 at 7:59 pm to Gorilla Ball
But he’s on trial for murder, not for being a lifelong shithead
Insert " Why not Both " gif
Insert " Why not Both " gif
Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:19 pm to redandright
Media Photos of Moselle from today after the jury left
I went to reddit to find the photos link. Why,
did I read reddit?
Here is a theory: LINK Also the cousin Eddie side of road story backfiring on AM is interesting in the comments. Cousin Eddie did say, he would not have missed if he was told to shoot him (AM lured him there)
Another theory in comments somewhere there-- started as AM detoxing in the hotel & not being at all the events, baseball games.
Mostly theories that AM was scared to death of withdrawals; and Paul took his bag of pills and he got them out of Paul's pocket when Paul's phone flipped out of his pocket.
I went to reddit to find the photos link. Why,
did I read reddit? Here is a theory: LINK Also the cousin Eddie side of road story backfiring on AM is interesting in the comments. Cousin Eddie did say, he would not have missed if he was told to shoot him (AM lured him there)
Another theory in comments somewhere there-- started as AM detoxing in the hotel & not being at all the events, baseball games.
Mostly theories that AM was scared to death of withdrawals; and Paul took his bag of pills and he got them out of Paul's pocket when Paul's phone flipped out of his pocket.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:42 pm to cajunangelle
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Why, did I read reddit?
You fit in nicely there.
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Paul took his bag of pills and he got them out of Paul's pocket when Paul's phone flipped out of his pocket.
Would he really have trouble getting more elsewhere?
But the first thing that came to my mind processing that idea was, he quickly pops some pills after getting them and…~14 minutes later his phone explodes with activity including 283 steps in like 4 minutes. As in the fix started taking effect and he acted out from it.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 8:51 pm to Havoc
Hey now. Reddit has 9 comments like we have here. And then wa-la it seems like a local insider posts something 
I dig the Cousin Eddie stories
I dig the Cousin Eddie stories
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 8:52 pm
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