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Interesting: murder rates are down from 1970 due to medical advances ,not fewer attempts

Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:12 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:12 am



This suggests that our cities are not safer than they were in the 70s and 80s, it’s just you have better medical tech
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:14 am to
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This suggests that our cities are not safer than they were in the 70s and 80s, it’s just you have better medical tech


Pretty much anyone who lived in the 70s could identify with that.

Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:15 am to
You’re still less likely to get unalived either way you extrapolate it.

‘Safer’ is arbitrary
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:16 am to
I never considered that... pretty cool, if depressing, post.
Posted by i am dan
NC
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:18 am to
Hmmm and that study is from 2002. Many more medical advances since 2002 as well. Wonder if that stat is even more skewed.
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:20 am to
I've been telling people this for years about BR.

The combined efforts of EBR EMS and OLOL trauma care saves TONS of gunshot victims that would've died 10-20 years ago. BR murder rates would be 200+ a year if EMS and the ER were operating with the knowledge and tech they were using in 2005.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:23 am to
It’s sad that they waste all these advancements on mostly criminals who get shot rather than even trying to help innocent hangover sufferers or men who want to get huge muscles but are worried about their hair
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:27 am to
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The combined efforts of EBR EMS and OLOL trauma care saves TONS of gunshot victims that would've died 10-20 years ago. BR murder rates would be 200+ a year if EMS and the ER were operating with the knowledge and tech they were using in 2005.


i heard it somewhere that we are not a less violent people, we just have better technology to make violence become assault and attempted murder instead of murder.

combine that with a cell phone and the ability to call emergency services and stay with somebody and listen to a 911 operator keep them alive instead of having to run inside to a land line.

Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:31 am to
so the better measurement would be the rate of gunshot victims that get admitted into hospitals? What are those numbers?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:32 am to
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combine that with a cell phone and the ability to call emergency services and stay with somebody and listen to a 911 operator keep them alive instead of having to run inside to a land line.

Obamaphones have saved so many lives
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:33 am to
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For example, a 2002 study from Harvard Medical School found that murder rates would be five times




Good grief, how gullible are you people?
Posted by EmperorGout
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:35 am to
The problem with this argument is that all manner of violent, property, and sexual crimes are down across the board from their 70s/80s heyday. You can debate the reasons why.

Also, “turning homicides into aggravated assaults” made me legit lol as I pull up to the court house this morning. Good job.

I do respect the mad nostalgia game of looking for the gray cloud in every positive bit of news in modern America, though. Respect.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:35 am to
Murder rate would be 5x higher? Holy hell
Posted by EmperorGout
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:36 am to
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Good grief, how gullible are you people?


Questions we ask ourselves every day
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:37 am to
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The problem with this argument is that all manner of violent, property, and sexual crimes are down across the board from their 70s/80s heyday. You can debate the reasons why.

Also, “turning homicides into aggravated assaults” made me legit lol as I pull up to the court house this morning. Good job.

I do respect the mad nostalgia game of looking for the gray cloud in every positive bit of news in modern America, though. Respect.
Yeah. It's a modest effect at best. It wasn't "medical advances" that caused the rate to start to plummet 1991ish.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:39 am to
Violent crime in general, outside of just murders, is down, along with basically every other type of crime (and social pathology).

The one major exception (if you consider it a social pathology) is the divorce-marriage stats (and their progeny). Fewer people are getting married (and it's become a class thing) and more people are getting divorced.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:40 am to
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The problem with this argument is that all manner of violent, property, and sexual crimes are down across the board from their 70s/80s heyday.

Along with non-criminal pathologies like abortion rate, teen pregnancy rate, etc.
Posted by AUin02
Member since Jan 2012
4429 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:45 am to
I have a friend who worked in a hospital system in Detroit. He'll straight up tell you that there's not less people getting shot, they're just much much better at saving them now than they were 10 or 20 years ago.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:45 am to
yea thats complete and utter bullshite. Violence is way way down in most cities. Now it might not be as isolated as it was back then but violence in general is way down.

the 80-90s crack epidemic and drug culture in places like Baltimore, St Louis, Nola, even Los Angles and the herion epidemic in NYC in the 70s and early 80s and in places like Newark along with mob violence tells you this is BS.

there are less gun shot victims in general...plus all other violent crime is down.



if you are going to post things, atleast try and understand them and verify truth before just running at the mouth.
Posted by HeadCall
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:48 am to
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The problem with this argument is that all manner of violent, property, and sexual crimes are down across the board from their 70s/80s heyday. You can debate the reasons why.


There’s really not much to debate. Its because of abortion
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