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re: Inability to afford homes and essentials pushed birth rates to record lows
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:10 am to Sofaking2
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:10 am to Sofaking2
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Before around the 1960s women had children when nature happened. People are now prioritizing other things over children. It’s not a mystery.
The data presented ends in 1936
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Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:12 am to SloaneRanger
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Anecdotally, I know a number of people who have good jobs, have houses and yet aren’t starting families.
So do I. They would rather no children or have 1 to 2 children and travel more, have more freedom, have more material possessions, etc. There are many reasons. It’s not a judgement. It’s what I’m seeing too. People have more control and options than ever before.
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:13 am to UltimaParadox
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The first commercial birth control pill, Enovid, became available to the public in the United States when it was approved for contraceptive use by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on May 9, 1960.
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1965: State laws and restrictions meant the pill was initially restricted mostly to married women; by 1965, over 5 million American women were using it.
People have the freedom to do whatever they choose. I don’t care. I wanted to have a family and kids. That was a priority to me. That’s what I did. It was expensive and I was never rich, but my kids are doing well.
This post was edited on 8/15/26 at 11:17 am
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:18 am to Sofaking2
I am still confused, the data presented shows the declines in brith rates up until 1936.
Birth control pill did not exist when the birth rates were in free fall at this time.
Biggest driver was the great depression, I dont think that is even up for debate
Birth control pill did not exist when the birth rates were in free fall at this time.
Biggest driver was the great depression, I dont think that is even up for debate
This post was edited on 8/15/26 at 11:19 am
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:20 am to UltimaParadox
consider the second industrial revolution that began in 1870, the fertility rate was still kicking well into the twentieth century in rural areas.
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:20 am to BCvol
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consider the second industrial revolution that began in 1870, the fertility rate was still kicking well into the twentieth century in rural areas.
touche
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:25 am to UltimaParadox
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Inability to afford homes
Do you ever wonder why our politicians are only geared towards you buying more stuff?
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:26 am to UltimaParadox
Is the population supposed to grow every year, forever?
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:36 am to UltimaParadox
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Obviously I am referring the era right after the great depression. Clearly the US has been in this situation prior to modern times where birth rates were in free fall
The problem with the chart is the data points are 1920 and 1930. We need to see the data between those dates because 1920 is tainted by WWI where approximately, 1/8 adult males were overseas. (4,000,000 soldiers in the army during WWI) Obviously, 1930 was the start of the depression, but the economy exploded between the two. Hence- "The Roaring 20's." Additionally, the 1930 census data was collected April 1930 so I'm not convinced the stock market crash 6 months earlier had influenced the birth rates yet.
So the drop in birth rate was most likely due to new social behaviors and not economics which means it is debatable.
This post was edited on 8/15/26 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:41 am to UltimaParadox
Your entire OP is a post hoc fallacy
Inflation adjusted incomes (aka real incomes)- the thing that measures the extent to which people can afford a basket of goods- has consistently reached record highs since the dot com boom of the 90s. Despite that, birth rates have continued to fall.
We also have evidence from Nordic nations and Hungary, among numerous other western nations, that extensive subsidies for childcare and housing, has failed to increase birth rates.
The evidence is *substantial* that the decrease in birth rates is cultural and reflects changing lifestyle choices of women.
For example, birth rates in states like Massachusetts are among the lowest in America , despite very high incomes and ample subsidies.
Inflation adjusted incomes (aka real incomes)- the thing that measures the extent to which people can afford a basket of goods- has consistently reached record highs since the dot com boom of the 90s. Despite that, birth rates have continued to fall.
We also have evidence from Nordic nations and Hungary, among numerous other western nations, that extensive subsidies for childcare and housing, has failed to increase birth rates.
The evidence is *substantial* that the decrease in birth rates is cultural and reflects changing lifestyle choices of women.
For example, birth rates in states like Massachusetts are among the lowest in America , despite very high incomes and ample subsidies.
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:42 am to UltimaParadox
I blame those new torso dolls.
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:43 am to armytiger96
Definite trend downward, prior to great depression. Valid point...
The baby boomer generation is really the true outlier. Every other generation has been a steady trend downward as far as the greater context
This post was edited on 8/15/26 at 11:45 am
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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has consistently reached record highs since the dot com boom of the 90s.
The data presented is from 1880 to 1936
Posted on 8/15/26 at 11:54 am to UltimaParadox
Most simply can’t grasp the extent of economic consequences that occurred from the massive printing of currency during COVID. We aren’t going to recovery from that for decades.
Posted on 8/15/26 at 12:02 pm to UltimaParadox
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Inability to afford homes and essentials pushed birth rates to record lows
Let’s not forget people are getting married at an older age.
That also has a meaningful impact on birth rate.
Posted on 8/15/26 at 12:06 pm to UltimaParadox
The chart show births per woman, keep in mind the infant mortality rate was very high back in 1880s. Over 15% wouldn't see their first birthday, another 5-10% would pass before the age of 5.
Posted on 8/15/26 at 12:16 pm to TigerintheNO
Imagine the number if the US wasn't invaded with hispanics and muslims.
This country is going to shite
This country is going to shite
Posted on 8/15/26 at 12:20 pm to UltimaParadox
Working from home culture
Posted on 8/15/26 at 12:21 pm to UltimaParadox
Nope. It is because every is trans rather pay for streaming services
Posted on 8/15/26 at 12:22 pm to weagle1999
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Is the population supposed to grow every year, forever?
Yes, if you're not growing you're dying.
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