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Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:07 pm to metallica81788
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So many things I’d like to say
Start with one.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:11 pm to GumboPot
Talk to a real practicing oncologist that treats cancer all day every day
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:12 pm to GumboPot
In 20 years cancer will probably be considered an unpleasant, but usually manageable disease, like many other chronic diseases people live with.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:13 pm to metallica81788
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Talk to a real practicing oncologist that treats cancer all day every day
I have a couple of doctor friends and I will talk to them but I do not have any friends that are oncologists. I hope I never have to talk to one.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:15 pm to Jim Rockford
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In 20 years cancer will probably be considered an unpleasant, but usually manageable disease, like many other chronic diseases people live with.
Add at least another 0 to that number.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:20 pm to BluegrassBelle
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My Mom’s oncologist is one of the highest rated oncologists in our region.
higher than Fauxi?
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:49 pm to deeprig9
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quote: immunotherapy Didn't do shite for my neighbor
My brother utilized metabolic and immunotherapy for Stage 4 Renal Cell Carcinoma. The immunotherapy almost killed him but he has scans every 6 months and the tumors are basically scar tissue now. Been 5 years. Stage 4 Renal Cell Carcinoma used to be a death sentence until Keytruda And Metabolics.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:15 pm to LSUBFA83
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I always wonder if they push certain theories just to sell more books.
Or to sell their "proprietary" treatments (Lyme)
Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:17 pm to Boudreaux35
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And "big pharma" is the reason there will never (allegedly) be any cure for cancer.
That’s asinine. Big Pharma has eradicated all kinds of diseases.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:20 pm to IAmNERD
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Like an MD, or as I call them, real doctors.
Buddy, a PhD in genetics is at least as well educated and qualified as an MD. These were doctors long before an Medical Practitioner was considered a doctor.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:21 pm to GumboPot
Didn’t Steve Jobs try something like this? Didn’t work out so well for him
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:25 pm to GumboPot
good thread, Pot. I've heard a few people in real life talk about both sides of this (good/bad), and I find it interesting to say the least. Sorry about your mom.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:46 pm to GumboPot
quote:I'm so sorry to hear about your mom, GP. Sounds like she went far too young.
FWIW, my mom died of breast cancer in 2014. If she knew about this approach I know she would have had great success (b/c other than breast cancer she was incredibly healthy and disciplined) and would probably still be here today. She just did not have the knowledge.
Regarding her being here today, there are BC interventions and understanding now, which were not in place 9-10 yrs ago. Had she presented in 2023 instead of 2013, she might be curable or at least better treatable. Seyfried's material is not part of that equation though. Don't worry yourself further.
E.g.,
quote:With glucose gone, hypoglycemic coma followed by brain death occurs quickly.
So with glucose and glutamine gone the cancer cells starve
Posted on 3/17/23 at 4:49 pm to GumboPot
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Cancer needs glucose and glutamine. Do not provide it glucose and glutamine.
Cancers still gonna get glucose
Posted on 3/17/23 at 5:02 pm to GumboPot
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able to compete with the cancer cells for those few glucose molecules available while under ketosis.
Here’s the problem with that math. Cancer is not detectable in the human body until the number of cancer cells is 1x10^9, or 1 Billion. 3 dimensional that is about 1 cm tumor. Cancer is lethal when the tumor volume reaches 1x10^12, or 1 trillion cancer cells. The human body has approximately 30x10^12 cells, or 30 trillion. Chemo and other treatments have an impact, typically on bone marrow derived cells, like red and white cells, or epithelial cells of the guy. However they typically recover in 10-14 days. Even if they didn’t, you are still not going to materially change the ratio of 30:1 as there will always has been and will be way more normal cells than cancer cells. Perhaps they have some tumor models that show extremely high tumor to normal ratios where an acute change in glucose produced an effect, but those models are not applicable to human physiology, unfortunately.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 5:13 pm to GumboPot
Old School tag so I can find this thread and tell a very interesting story related to this when I get in front of a computer.
Posted on 3/17/23 at 5:18 pm to Boudreaux35
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And "big pharma" is the reason there will never (allegedly) be any cure for cancer.
Why?
They could just patent a FDA approved version of this DON and have a universal treatment for cancer. They cure a cancer and that person alive until they get another cancer and need another round of DON. You think all the companies colluded to cover that up? They are so cut throat on of the companies would break that pact.
Seems like a great profitable model for them.
Your hypothesis doesn’t make sense but sounds good on the surface because we can blame a random terrible event (cancer) on a hypothetical entity
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 3/17/23 at 5:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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With glucose gone, hypoglycemic coma followed by brain death occurs quickly.
I shouldn't have said gone. I was using that term loosely. The professor indicated that for the metabolic approach to work well the glucose to ketone ratio needs to be 2 or lower.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/17/23 at 9:08 pm to LSUBFA83
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Posted byMessageLSUBFA83I was unaware of the metabolic approach to treating/curing cancer until now. by LSUBFA83I am leery of doctors who publish books. I always wonder if they push certain theories just to sell more books.
In particular, I’m leery of non-treating doctors publishing books on treatments that fall outside of the norm.
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