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re: I was unaware of the metabolic approach to treating/curing cancer until now.

Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:26 pm to
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And "big pharma" is the reason there will never (allegedly) be any cure for cancer


My BigPharma company (McKesson) is making a shite load of money off of my cancer meds that work.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:27 pm to
Have you heard of Otto Warburg? Google him...

90 years ago, won the Nobel prize for thoughts closely related..
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:28 pm to
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Just uses simple logic. Cancer needs glucose and glutamine. Do not provide it glucose and glutamine.




Ah yes, it’s just as simple as starving the cells. Welp folks, Gumbo has found the cure for all cancers. No need for chemo or radiation or immunotherapy.
Posted by auwaterfowler
Alabama
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:30 pm to
No money to be made in treating cancer this way, so it will never be talked about much in the mainstream.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:31 pm to
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The doctor's (not MD, PhD)


I haven't read any of your links or past the quoted part yet, but I normally laugh at this shite. At least he is specializing in a disease that kills humans. Like an MD, or as I call them, real doctors.

So he's close.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260217 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:33 pm to
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No money to be made in treating cancer this way


You wanna bet? If someone could come up with a universal, non invasive cure they would be so fricking wealthy
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 1:35 pm
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:33 pm to
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Ah yes, it’s just as simple as starving the cells. Welp folks, Gumbo has found the cure for all cancers. No need for chemo or radiation or immunotherapy.


Just click on the link. You are a healthcare professional and will understand what the professor is saying. What the professor is saying is logical, scientifically factual if you believe the biochemistry and cellular biology courses you took in college and he has patient data to back it up.

It is not me. It is the professor. I'm just discussing it here. I'm not trying to sell something and not emotionally tied to the idea.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:35 pm to
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No money to be made in treating cancer this way,


Money can be made, just not as much.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:37 pm to
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Have you heard of Otto Warburg? Google him...


Otto Warburg is mentioned in the book description on Amazon:

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The book addresses controversies related to the origins of cancer and provides solutions to cancer management and prevention. It expands upon Otto Warburg's well-known theory that all cancer is a disease of energy metabolism. However, Warburg did not link his theory to the "hallmarks of cancer" and thus his theory was discredited. This book aims to provide evidence, through case studies, that cancer is primarily a metabolic disease requiring metabolic solutions for its management and prevention. Support for this position is derived from critical assessment of current cancer theories. Brain cancer case studies are presented as a proof of principle for metabolic solutions to disease management, but similarities are drawn to other types of cancer, including breast and colon, due to the same cellular mutations that they demonstrate.


Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:44 pm to
Imagine using this kind of language in a post:
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That is the genetic approach, not the metabolic approach.

Phenotypically cancers are different. Metabolically they fuel themself off of two molecules, glucose and glutamine.

But getting there/their wrong in an OP trying to cure cancer:
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Normal cells get there fuel from two molecules also: glucose and ketones.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:48 pm to
You don't have to imagine it. It's there. I made a grammar error.

It's most certainly not the first and definitely won't be the last time I make a grammar error.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19203 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:52 pm to
I'm just giving you a hard time.

It is interesting research though. And I'm all about anything that advances eradicating cancer.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 1:57 pm to
Look, I'm sensitive to grammar errors but I still make them. I realize that an entire thread can get hijacked because of one error. Then you are like, "well, that was a waste of time".

When I looked up the book's description I found a spelling error. I corrected it because if the error was found the entire idea of a metabolic approach to treating cancer would get dismissed by some people, because of a spelling error.




"requiring" is misspelled.

This is so silly.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:04 pm to
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GumboPot


Yep. In a discussion that has the possibility, albeit remotely, of some interest, different topics, and opinions, pointing that out is silly.

And technically, I think that would be a usage error, not grammar.

Ha.

ETA fixed a tpyo
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 2:11 pm
Posted by Bullfrog
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:13 pm to
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My BigPharma company (McKesson) is making a shite load of money off of my cancer meds that work.


Do they work, meaning do they CURE cancer, or do they simply prolong the treatment while they make their millions?
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:17 pm to
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FWIW, my mom died of breast cancer in 2014. If she knew about this approach I know she would have had great success (b/c other than breast cancer she was incredibly healthy and disciplined) and would probably still be here today. She just did not have the knowledge.


My good friends dad died of cancera few years ago at 61. He was in very good shape and a retired police officer. He went a natural route including Keto. He still died 6 months after diagnosis.
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1044 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:41 pm to
The phrase “glucose is gone” is inaccurate.
There is this phenomenon called gluconeogenesis that happens nightly where your liver make’s glucose to maintain homeostasis. In situations where your glucose levels drop too low acutely, such as a diabetes patient taking too much insulin, humans go into a hypoglycemic coma, which is not compatible with living. The inability to selectively deprive high metabolic cells like cancer cells of glucose while not having profound hypoglycemia is the fundamental flaw to this approach and another reason why cancer is a horrible class of diseases.
I despise false hope books that tell an incomplete story and elicit an emotional response. Further this is not a new approach, there is literally a class of cancer medicines called anti-metabolites, such as 5-FU and capecitabine. Don’t believe me, it is all publicly available information.
I really hope no one commenting in this thread is a supplier or selling DON and not disclosing that fact
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
30287 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 2:45 pm to
If unaware of David Sinclair, Dr Chatterjee, Dr Berg, and Dr Ekberg's Youtube channels, and other works..check 'em out.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118737 posts
Posted on 3/17/23 at 3:01 pm to
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The phrase “glucose is gone” is inaccurate.
There is this phenomenon called gluconeogenesis


Right. The professor talks about this in the link. There is a baseline glucose concentration in the blood. However the point is to have as many healthy cells available to compete with the cancer cells for those few glucose molecules available while under ketosis. He is not advocating for total abdication of chemo and radiation, just more of a minimus approach so you can maintain as many healthy normal cells as possible to compete with the cancer cells for the glucose.

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Don’t believe me, it is all publicly available information.



I believe you.



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