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Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:45 pm to Chad504boy
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yeah, get out the car, let me make sure you aren't dangerous first and then we'll figure it out.
like I said, your line of thought is a police state and is honestly horrifying
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:45 pm to LNCHBOX
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I can see why they acted like they did though.
then let's all rejoice that you answered the first question no. because people with your line of thinking should not be in ANY position of power.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:46 pm to Salmon
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but I don't blame him for handling the way he did
i don't blame the cops for wanting to make sure it wsn't a dangerous situation first and wanting kid out of vehicle and make sure he doesn't have a gun on him. don't blame ONE frickING BIT THESE DAYS.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:46 pm to LNCHBOX
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Then consider this that time.
Yes!
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:46 pm to cas4t
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then let's all rejoice that you answered the first question no. because people with your line of thinking should not be in ANY position of power.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:46 pm to Chad504boy
1. The way he answered was really a question, appeared to possibly be making up the name.
2. He continued by mentioning a parole officer, so clearly he's under probation, it's possible the guy with the warrant was as well.
3. He failed to obey lawful orders from that point forward and resisted.
Questions..
Was the warrant for a violent act? Was he at the residence of the person who had the warrant on them? Why did he feel a need to become combative rather than answer directly and provide ID? Is it really that hard to fathom that once you've been misidentified that you should comply as peaceably as possible until you can show you are not who they wanted?
Turning around and letting the officers retrieve the ID would have prevented every bit of that. Regardless of him being on probation, of being possibly at the right perps house or being misidentified with similar features.
2. He continued by mentioning a parole officer, so clearly he's under probation, it's possible the guy with the warrant was as well.
3. He failed to obey lawful orders from that point forward and resisted.
Questions..
Was the warrant for a violent act? Was he at the residence of the person who had the warrant on them? Why did he feel a need to become combative rather than answer directly and provide ID? Is it really that hard to fathom that once you've been misidentified that you should comply as peaceably as possible until you can show you are not who they wanted?
Turning around and letting the officers retrieve the ID would have prevented every bit of that. Regardless of him being on probation, of being possibly at the right perps house or being misidentified with similar features.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:46 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:He never had "honest intentions" to begin with which is why he lies.
The cop knows he should have just asked for his ID. That is why he lies about asking for his ID afterwards.
Even the cop knows he's wrong here.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:46 pm to LNCHBOX
I don't blame the cops for what they did after they allowed the thing to escalate.
But Patrick calmly, slowly stated his name and the cops were at fault for the escalation up to that point. We need to pay cops more and provide better training, but this was a great example of what not to do at the start.
But Patrick calmly, slowly stated his name and the cops were at fault for the escalation up to that point. We need to pay cops more and provide better training, but this was a great example of what not to do at the start.
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:47 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:What a pos human you are. Citizens are not obligated to do a po's work for him.
Kid brought it on himself.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:47 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Police officers get paid to deescalate situations.
What I'm hearing from some of you is that Patrick should have taken those actions instead..... While I agree it is good practice to just calmly do whatever a police officer says, Patrick isn't getting paid to deescalate situations and identify people with warrants. It's not his JOB.
What I'm hearing from some of you is that Patrick should have taken those actions instead..... While I agree it is good practice to just calmly do whatever a police officer says, Patrick isn't getting paid to deescalate situations and identify people with warrants. It's not his JOB.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:47 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Lol at the people in this thread siding with he cops after this.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:47 pm to dcrews
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Although, I would have simply shown my ID to the officers, the guy still didn't deserve to be tased.
So without being asked for your ID you would have reached in your pocket and gotten it? As someone stayed earlier... Peepewpewpewpewpewpew
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:47 pm to VerlanderBEAST
I have no idea, just like I don't know why the guy slammed the door and resisted the police, before they used the taser. After they warned him about the taser.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:47 pm to cas4t
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cas4t
Show me on the teddy bear where the bad police man touched you

Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:47 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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He never had "honest intentions"
So they just randomly rolled up on this kid with the intent to arrest him? You really believe that?
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:47 pm to Salmon
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your line of thought is a police state and is honestly horrifying
nah, the horrifying thought is police officers having to do this day in and day out but they supposed to know who the good baws are or aren't as they go to montly funeral services for peers getting murdered in cold blood from situations identical. That's some pussy arse reasoning salmon cause you seen the end result of a video going in. IF i had stopped the video 15 seconds in and have you tell me what happens, you would have no fricking idea.
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:48 pm to cas4t
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he was sitting in a car on the passenger side. With 2 cops standing over him. The situation was secured. All they had to do was request ID and provide the warrant. Instead they wanted to be the enforcers in the situation.
Exactly.. but if this is going to become common procedure to arrest first and found out later.. then that's awful.
I hate how tense things are these days.. And some police can't use better judgment of a certain situation. You use to be able to give cops your identification first.. He did good by NOT reaching for his wallet. They could have asked him for his info instead of lying about it.
People still don't understand.. he wasn't even aware they were looking for another person.. so he didn't even know he needed to prove it wasn't him.. He had no idea what any of this was about was scared.. He could fathom why and may have felt something was planted against him. This is why it would be nice if they had worked with him.. but they weren't interested in that.
The cop just kept trying to justify it by lying and then stating how much they look alike.
All he had to do was say, "wellllll Patrick.. do you have a way to verify you are who you say you are..."
"Let's get to the bottom of this"
It should be standard procedure to identify, then arrest.. if you give them a real chance and they don't comply then by all means taze them or take secure them.. but he only asked his name and didn't even follow up because he didn't believe him..
Perhaps he needs a new profession.
This post was edited on 7/15/16 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:48 pm to Alahunter
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Alahunter
quote:If this was the case why did they lie about asking for his ID?
Turning around and letting the officers retrieve the ID would have prevented every bit of that
Posted on 7/15/16 at 2:48 pm to DeathValley85
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Police officers get paid to deescalate situations.
exactly, officers wanted patrick out of car and hands on car to verify this could be a peaceful situation. without knowing, cops don't 'fricking know shite.
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