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re: I got the Diabetes but I'm better now(long post warning)
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:50 am to Odysseus32
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:50 am to Odysseus32
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My only point is that you can not blanket statement that carbs are bad for you.
Carbs aren't "bad for you," but they also aren't at all necessary unless you want/need a quick glycogenic response. Almost no Americans are doing any kind of activity where that response is needed so when you add context to the conversation, yes carbs are essentially bad for you when factoring in the insulin and leptin responses.
As we learn more about metabolic health outside of your general markers we've been using for years, we learn that nutrient timing and breakdown are probably fairly important. Being just a healthy weight is 90% of the battle, but 10% is not an immaterial amount.
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Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:54 am to SpartanSoul
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1 gram of fructose and 1 gram of glucose have the same calories but are metabolized differently and have different effects on the human body.
But they are still only 4 calories each, regardless. The effects on the body don't negate that basic principle.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:57 am to barry
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To use a lifestyle change to get off medication is fine, but you were clearly in a very dangerous health place, why not use it until you can make changes and
You may be right but all medicine/drugs have their own set of unknows and I just wanted it to be a last resort. If I hadn't been able to get control I would have relented. By the first week of Jan I was averaging a reading around 200 mg/dl eating the ADA way. I figured I could get it better by cutting more carbs.
I don't begrudge anyone for taking any medicine they need. I just think many people are to accepting of just taking the pill/shot and not thinking about it.
I was just shocked by all of these people in the class that we perfectly fine eating crap they knew was bad for them and willing to just take more medicine or up their current dosage to eat crap and gain more weight. How does a person say this cake will give me the shits so I'm going to sit by the bathroom and eat it anyway?
I wasn't going to end up like the and drew the line.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:08 pm to SpartanSoul
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How does a person say this cake will give me the shits so I'm going to sit by the bathroom and eat it anyway?
I guess you never have known people who are lactose intolerant
Good for you though, thats the right long-term attitude.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:08 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Dr. Lustig’s video is too long for me to watch but I just finished his book-METABOLICAL.Very good book.
For a long time I was anti-keto but he explains that it is good for some but not all.
Ch.9 explains how to determine for one’s self which is the best diet for your individual health.
Both sides of the keto vs. vegetarian diet can be very militant and dogmatic that their diet is the only right diet.He addresses this in the book.
For a long time I was anti-keto but he explains that it is good for some but not all.
Ch.9 explains how to determine for one’s self which is the best diet for your individual health.
Both sides of the keto vs. vegetarian diet can be very militant and dogmatic that their diet is the only right diet.He addresses this in the book.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:13 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Almost no Americans are doing any kind of activity where that response is needed so when you add context to the conversation, yes carbs are essentially bad for you when factoring in the insulin and leptin responses.
I understand your point and agree. As much as I've been arguing, I think a low-carb diet would probably benefit most Americans. But I still maintain that it is important to not make that blanket statement without context.
I read this thread and see the provided literature, and I get very skeptical because you can do the EXACT same thing OP is doing here with AHA funded studies and other doctor recommendations and come out on the exact other side feeling completely healthy.
I am thrilled whenever anyone gets healthy, regardless of the method. What I don't get thrilled about is someone who found an alternative method buying into that method as gospel for every other person, particularly when that method is brimming with con artists looking to take advantage of vulnerable people.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:14 pm to Odysseus32
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but you're speaking as if everyone in this thread is at risk of high A1C or prediabetic.
Never meant that at all.
My point was that I was doing and eating like I was told and still ended up like I did.
I was trying to open some peoples eyes to the fact that just because things look ok on the surface you might still want to look deeper to see if everything is OK.
About 30% of Americans have metabolic syndrome and instances of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease and diabetes etc continue to skyrocket. The CDC says 34.5% of Americans meet criteria for prediabetes and most probably don't know it.
Just want people to not assume they are healthy just because they don't take up 2 seats and can walk to the mailbox.
My condition obviously came on over time, wish I knew then what I know now so I could have stopped it in its tracks. I know there are others headed down the same path doing what they think is right and will one day end up where I was. Hopefully my story will have helped someone avoid it.
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My only point is that you can not blanket statement that carbs are bad for you.
They are too large of a percentage of a vast majority of most peoples diet and you body has no need for them. Some are ok but too many are horrible for you. I'll leave it at that.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:18 pm to SpartanSoul
Good for you. Keep up the good work!
Similar to my diabetes adventure. Diagnosed at 38. I had the signs - extreme thirst, excessively tired at the end of the day, piss all night long, cranky as hell, it also affected my sex life. My A1C was 11.6. For the next two weeks I cut out what I knew had sugar and felt amazing. After a month I had lost 20 lbs. I had never been above 220 lbs and am 6' 1" tall. No one in my family was obese. Both my Papaws had Type 2. My dad had it. My doc put me in a nutrition class where I learned how diet affects diabetics. With meds my A1C would only get as low as 6.5. I didn't exercise since I'm in construction I felt like the job alone being in the heat of the day, etc. was enough. I switched all breads and pastas to wheat but limited sugary foods.
12 years later, A1C was up to 7.3 this past Jan. I admit over time I got lazy with my diet and my Diabetes management. I was taking more pills to balance my shitty diet. About a month ago, I felt awful, head spinning right out of bed, and took that day off work which I rarely do. Started the Keto diet immediately to stop eating carbs. 30 days later my A1C is now down to 6.9 and I've cut out most of the pills. I still take one in the morning.
I never had any issues with high cholesterol or blood pressure though.
Similar to my diabetes adventure. Diagnosed at 38. I had the signs - extreme thirst, excessively tired at the end of the day, piss all night long, cranky as hell, it also affected my sex life. My A1C was 11.6. For the next two weeks I cut out what I knew had sugar and felt amazing. After a month I had lost 20 lbs. I had never been above 220 lbs and am 6' 1" tall. No one in my family was obese. Both my Papaws had Type 2. My dad had it. My doc put me in a nutrition class where I learned how diet affects diabetics. With meds my A1C would only get as low as 6.5. I didn't exercise since I'm in construction I felt like the job alone being in the heat of the day, etc. was enough. I switched all breads and pastas to wheat but limited sugary foods.
12 years later, A1C was up to 7.3 this past Jan. I admit over time I got lazy with my diet and my Diabetes management. I was taking more pills to balance my shitty diet. About a month ago, I felt awful, head spinning right out of bed, and took that day off work which I rarely do. Started the Keto diet immediately to stop eating carbs. 30 days later my A1C is now down to 6.9 and I've cut out most of the pills. I still take one in the morning.
I never had any issues with high cholesterol or blood pressure though.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:19 pm to LSUA 75
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This is not sustainable for most people.
I found out I was diabetic 4 years ago, I had a A1c of 7.5, glucose was averaging 180. I went low carb, not strict keto, just avoided the usual suspects, rice, potatoes, bread, pasta and sugar of course. I take metformin and Trulicity, my A1c is 6.2, glucose in the 130's.
I'm over 70 and my doc is very good with all my indicators. I use the Libre Freestyle so I can check when I eat something if it spikes my glucose.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:20 pm to LSUA 75
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Dr. Lustig’s video is too long for me to watch but I just finished his book-METABOLICAL.Very good book.
For a long time I was anti-keto but he explains that it is good for some but not all.
Ch.9 explains how to determine for one’s self which is the best diet for your individual health.
Both sides of the keto vs. vegetarian diet can be very militant and dogmatic that their diet is the only right diet.He addresses this in the book.
Well said.
I'm not militant, just hope people get informed on the subject and don't accept the food pyramid as gospel.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:25 pm to SpartanSoul
I’m a middle aged fatty and my blood sugar is typically below 90 and my resting heart rate is 54-58. Diabetes runs on my paternal side so I don’t consume sugar, much carbs and I fast regularly. The fasting and cutting down of calories in general does the trick for me it seems, along with regular exercise of course.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:27 pm to Odysseus32
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I am thrilled whenever anyone gets healthy, regardless of the method. What I don't get thrilled about is someone who found an alternative method buying into that method as gospel for every other person, particularly when that method is brimming with con artists looking to take advantage of vulnerable people.
I don't accept any of them as gospel.
I will say Lustig lays out a good case and his presentations are worth the time.
I think the true proof is in the blood tests over time. And I strongly encourage people to find what works for them and to adapt and change as required.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:28 pm to SpartanSoul
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They are too large of a percentage of a vast majority of most peoples diet
Agreed.
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you body has no need for them. Some are ok but too many are horrible for you
Nonsense.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:29 pm to SpartanSoul
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don't accept the food pyramid as gospel
Well, for starters, the food pyramid is very outdated, and people didn't understand it. 8 servings of grains was to look more like a couple of bagels, not a loaf of bread. The new "my plate" model is much easier to understand.
Besides that, adherence to government dietary guidelines is extraordinarily low. I'm not necessarily saying the government's dietary guidelines are good, but it's hard to blame those guidelines because people generally do not follow them.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:42 pm to SpartanSoul
Diabetes (both types) is 100% curable, but drug companies dont want their gravy train of outrageously priced insulin to run out. Same exact formula since the 30s, 5000% price markup since inception. Its fricking criminal.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:42 pm to Hulkklogan
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but it's hard to blame those guidelines because people generally do not follow them.
There is actually a video somewhere in the list above that shows that the more that people were following the guidelines the higher that heart disease rates and diabetes rates went. That is kind of the point. (I'm too lazy to dig for it, since no-one would probably watch it if I found it)
My plate is better but still too many carbs in my opinion. Especially when most of the carbs are so highly processed. If people only ate whole grains in the proper quantities there wouldn't be a problem but when you mix in carbs/fructose being in damn near everything we eat it's the makings of a disaster.
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8 servings of grains was to look more like a couple of bagels, not a loaf of bread.
Get a glucometer and chart how much a single bagel can make your glucose level spike even for non diabetics. It will open your eyes.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:51 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Mingo Was His NameO
Hopefully 6 months in the ban bin treated you well, but you still come off as insufferable. So good luck
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:59 pm to Jake88
quote:Not really. It's slowly changing, but the ADA still recommends absolutely counterproductive diets to diabetics.
It isn't. Low carb diets for diabetics is routine.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:02 pm to Jake88
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It isn't. Low carb diets for diabetics is routine
Yea, mom mom picked it up and that’s what she was doing
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:10 pm to SpartanSoul
As an added bonus of diabetes, I get the pleasure of getting pancreatitis. Been laid up in the hospital for over a week now. Worse pain I ever had. Dr said it is chronic and will probably be in the hospital in the future. So anybody on here that has diabetes, watch out for this shite.
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