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re: I got the Diabetes but I'm better now(long post warning)
Posted on 4/20/22 at 10:48 am to Utah Tiger
Posted on 4/20/22 at 10:48 am to Utah Tiger
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My 80 year old dad just did the same thing. He stopped eating at 6 PM. Went from 250 to 175.
Damn he lost 75 pounds in 15 hours?
Posted on 4/20/22 at 10:59 am to Odysseus32
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While I'm not saying you're wrong per se, this is highly specific to the individual.
I am glad that you have come out of this better, but just like you're telling people not take the ADAs recommendations as gospel, do the same thing for the videos you're posting.
There are so many studies out there on nutrition that refute one another, many peer reviewed. Even meta analyses can sometimes come up with a "we don't know" conclusion.
I am always happy when anyone turns their life around and drops weight, reverses disease, etc, but to blankelty state that carbs are bad point blank period is just as bad information as saying fat is bad point blank period. It's much more nuanced than that.
I don't proclaim that the people I linked to are infallible or are 100% right about everything but they do link to studies and lay the groundwork for more research and understanding.
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For most people who are of average health and weight, a calories is just that. A calorie. To lose weight, burn more calories
Dr Lustig answers this better. Watch his video the decide if he's a quack. He also has several books.
But in general no they aren't due to how your body reacts and the way they are metabolized. Every cell can use glucose but 100% of fructose has to be metabolized by your liver. That's the biology of the matter. Since sucrose(table sugar) is 50% fructose and High fructose corn syrup is over 50% fructose that all goes to your liver. This can lead to fatty liver disease. Look up the trends of Non alcoholic liver disease, it is skyrocketing.
As for all carbs being bad, maybe not but almost all cause a blood glucose spike and a corresponding insulin spike that can eventually end up causing insulin resistance.
There are essential fats the body need and we must consume.
There are essential proteins(amino acids) the body need that we must consume.
There are no essential carbohydrates the body needs so why consume so many of them?
He also talks about leptin and how diet can affect it and how leptin affects the body. It's facinationg science,
For those who dont know insulin is the bodys fat storage hormone
The cleveland clinic says
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Leptin is a hormone your body releases that helps it maintain your normal weight on a long-term basis. The level of leptin in your blood is directly related to how much body fat you have. Leptin resistance causes you to feel hungry and eat more even though your body has enough fat stores
If your diet screws up leptin and/or insulin levels you will gain weight.
So yes in a perfect world everything is fine and straightforward but many who think they have nothing to worry about are actually on the road to problems. I'm just suggesting to open your eyes to nutrition.
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There are so many studies out there on nutrition that refute one another, many peer reviewed. Even meta analyses can sometimes come up with a "we don't know" conclusion.
I stated above they do this. The problem is many don't dig deeper to find alternative views.
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Your case is very specific,
Researching I don't think it is that out of the ordinary. It would take time to actually watch and research and most will not do it but for those looking for answers they can find them if they look.
As I stated medical decisions are very personal, I just wanted to share information that has changed my life and my families lives.
Good luck to everyone regardless of if they think I posted shite or actually found it useful/interesting.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:02 am to The Boat
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Damn he lost 75 pounds in 15 hours?
must have been Optavia
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:03 am to Odysseus32
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But for most people who aren't incredibly overweight, the effect foods are having on your liver should be insignificant. This is assuming the person of average weight isn't eating gas station food, washing it down with soda, and drinking a case of beer every day. If you are doing those things, you should know that you're destroying you're body.
The weight is the symptom not the cause.
Watch some of Dr Lustig's videos or read his book. that's all I can say.
Believe him or not but you would have to actually watch and see his biological explanations to make an informed judgement. You seem to have made up you mind already.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:05 am to SpartanSoul
Thank you for this, I’m a diabetic on metformin and don’t like how I feel right now. I don’t eat like I should and hope I can watch these videos, think over my life and make some changes. Unexpected bit of info out of no where that made me think.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:05 am to SpartanSoul
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Ken Berry MD
I really enjoyed his work on Mama's Family...
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:13 am to Odysseus32
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I don't think any sane person thinks that 500 calories of soda and Doritos is even moderately healthy.
What about a banana and some apple or orange juice? A "healthy" smoothie? A Starbuck's fancy coffee? Damn near any processed food from the middle aisles of the grocery store? Read the labels.
All of that fructose is headed straight to your liver, nowhere else. It's the same to your body as hitting the booze. Doesn't matter if you are fat or thin, your liver is paying the price.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:20 am to SpartanSoul
quote:I'm glad you posted this - I'm about to purge my fridge of banana/strawberry/orange juice cartons & apple juices. I'm hooked on sugar drinks right now. I start my day with 8-10 oz of that shite followed by a pot of coffee with flavored creamer at the office before 10:00 am.
What about a banana and some apple or orange juice? A "healthy" smoothie? A Starbuck's fancy coffee? Damn near any processed food from the middle aisles of the grocery store? Read the labels.
All of that fructose is headed straight to your liver, nowhere else. It's the same to your body as hitting the booze. Doesn't matter if you are fat or thin, your liver is paying the price.
It won't be easy to get rid of that morning habit, but I vow to do it tomorrow morning. I'm a healthy weight and have no current health problems, but I drink my sugar intake and it's way too high in the mornings as I change over to straight water after lunch each day.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:21 am to SpartanSoul
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Since it’s 2 days before Christmas I can’t get in with my doctor, Urgent care says hell no and off to the Emergency room I go. Spent 7 hours in a room with them basically doing nothing but giving me 2 IVs of fluid. They did blood work but it kept coming back with errors since my sugar was so high and I was dehydrated. Blood pressure was through the roof. My blood sugar drops to “only” 400 mg/dl (and this was after not eating for 36 hours) and after much debate they decide not to admit me and give me a prescription of Metformin and tell me good luck and to see my PCP.
This is appropriate care. In the ER we are trying to rule out emergencies in diabetics, the main one being diabetic ketoacidosis. High blood sugar by itself is not life threatening. There is even an ACEP (American college of emergency physicians) policy statement on not treating asymptomatic hyperglycemia. They treated your dehydration and let you go follow up with your doctor after labs didn’t show DKA, which was appropriate.
Glad you were able to reverse your diabetes with keto. Keto and fasting are great for metabolic disease. Dr. Fung is great. I would read his book The Obesity Code. Very informative.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:21 am to Dawgfanman
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Thank you for this, I’m a diabetic on metformin and don’t like how I feel right now. I don’t eat like I should and hope I can watch these videos, think over my life and make some changes. Unexpected bit of info out of no where that made me think.
I truly hope it helps. I can't describe how bad I felt. As you watch look at their past videos or search for specific topics, some videos are 10 years old but still great. Berry is a country doctor and pretty straight forward. Eckberg will go into detail on subjects. As you watch videos Youtube will recommend other videos.
Weening off carbs/sugar can make you feel like crap at the beginning. My wife went through withdrawals as she switched to support me, it felt like I was dieing anyway so it was only up for me. But after your body adjusts you will be amazed how good you feel and how much energy you have.
Hope you can get off the meds or at least cut them.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:23 am to SpartanSoul
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but I don’t want insulin.
It's your health, but thats just stubborn and dumb
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:29 am to SpartanSoul
Congrats. I also have a friend who went from a1c of 8 to under 5 with just diet, exercise and weight loss. He basically ate meat/fish, vegetables, and a small amount of fruit daily, exercised, and it only took a 10-lb weight loss. Around age 50 also. No grains or starches at all. If caught early enough, for most people, type 2 is reversible with lifestyle changes. Type 1 is a totally different thing. They have to take insulin or die.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:30 am to SpartanSoul
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A CALORIE IS NOT A CALORIE
But it is. It's a unit of measurement. I hate that quote. Terrible messaging.
It's all about sources of calories. Some keep you fuller longer than others. Some are more nutritious than others. Some are low in nutrition but high in flavor.
I'm happy you've lost weight and gotten your diabetes under control. I believe low carb/keto is a great tool for diabetics. I've been down the hardcore keto zealotry path and let me tell you - while there's solid info and science being done in regards to keto, it's a space brimming with charlatans. Choose your information critically and wisely.
I too enjoyed a low carb diet but my body stopped liking it. Gall bladder buildup causes me to get regular indigestion and reflux from heavy, fatty foods. In addition, my cholesterol numbers, which already suck from genetics, go absolutely batshit bad.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 11:35 am
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:31 am to RT1941
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I'm glad you posted this - I'm about to purge my fridge of banana/strawberry/orange juice cartons & apple juices. I'm hooked on sugar drinks right now. I start my day with 8-10 oz of that shite followed by a pot of coffee with flavored creamer at the office before 10:00 am.
It won't be easy to get rid of that morning habit, but I vow to do it tomorrow morning. I'm a healthy weight and have no current health problems, but I drink my sugar intake and it's way too high in the mornings as I change over to straight water after lunch each day.
Sugar can be very addictive. Good luck.
This is a video from a diabetes channel on Youtube where a diabetic and his nondiabetic wife compare the effects of eating bananas to eating candy bars. Fruit can cause huge glucose spikes even in nondiabetics.
Youtube glucose test
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:36 am to cwil177
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This is appropriate care. In the ER we are trying to rule out emergencies in diabetics, the main one being diabetic ketoacidosis. High blood sugar by itself is not life threatening. There is even an ACEP (American college of emergency physicians) policy statement on not treating asymptomatic hyperglycemia. They treated your dehydration and let you go follow up with your doctor after labs didn’t show DKA, which was appropriate.
Glad you were able to reverse your diabetes with keto. Keto and fasting are great for metabolic disease. Dr. Fung is great. I would read his book The Obesity Code. Very informative.
The worst thing was the just sitting in the room waiting while feeling horrible. They couldn't get the bloodwork to go through. My blood even looked "thick" as they were taking it. I had a ton of visitors since they all would pop their head in and were amazed my glucose was so high and it hadn't been diagnosed before.
Hope I don't have to go to an emergency room for a long time. Still getting in new bills. Got one this week for $3 for some consultant on an EKG they did.
I have several of Dr Fung's books. He's great.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 11:38 am
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:39 am to barry
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but I don’t want insulin.
It's your health, but thats just stubborn and dumb
Why take medicine if it can be avoided? My glucose levels are great. An A1c of 4.9 is great.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:40 am to SpartanSoul
that's scary. glad to hear you're feeling better
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:42 am to SpartanSoul
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Why take medicine if it can be avoided? My glucose levels are great. An A1c of 4.9 is great.
To use a lifestyle change to get off medication is fine, but you were clearly in a very dangerous health place, why not use it until you can make changes and
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:42 am to SpartanSoul
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What about a banana and some apple or orange juice? A "healthy" smoothie? A Starbuck's fancy coffee? Damn near any processed food from the middle aisles of the grocery store?
A banana and 1/4 cup of OJ can be a great way to get some quick nutrients. Not great for your liver, but as long as you aren't pounding a 12 oz OJ every morning, you have nothing to worry about.
Freshly blended smoothies at home with the right ingredients are perfectly fine in moderation.
A Starbucks fancy coffee is nothing but creamer and sugar, and I'd venture to say most people understand that when they get one.
I don't disagree with you. I shop the outskirts of the grocery store and go to the baking aisle for stapes. But you are massively oversimplifying the risk/reward scenario here. I understand that you were in crisis, and it isn't my business what you were eating before, but you're speaking as if everyone in this thread is at risk of high A1C or prediabetic. And while I'm sure some are, not everyone is.
I've said it a million times before this thread, going keto is not going to solve your problems.
As far as the "weight is a symptom" line, yes, again, I agree. For you, weight was a symptom of your disease. That is not to say everyone overweight has the same problems as a diabetic. They still have problems, but their solution may not be to drop all carbs and switch immediately to a meat and dairy diet.
We are getting a bit lost in the weeds, I think. My only point is that you can not blanket statement that carbs are bad for you.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:46 am to Hulkklogan
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But it is. It's a unit of measurement. I hate that quote. Terrible messaging.
In the lab in a bomb calorimeter it's the same.
In a human body it's totally different. 1 gram of fructose and 1 gram of glucose have the same calories but are metabolized differently and have different effects on the human body.
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in regards to keto, it's a space brimming with charlatans. Choose your information critically and wisely.
I agree wholeheartedly. I don't claim those listed are perfect but they provide a good place to start researching.
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I too enjoyed a low carb diet but my body stopped liking it. Gall bladder buildup causes me to get regular indigestion and reflux from heavy, fatty foods. In addition, my cholesterol numbers, which already suck from genetics, go absolutely batshit bad.
I hope you find a solution that works for you. Good luck.
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