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re: How much natural habitat will be wiped out by Ford’s new EV plants in KY and TN?
Posted on 9/29/21 at 3:36 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 9/29/21 at 3:36 pm to Korkstand
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The multi-acres that the Walmart already occupies? This is the single greatest advantage of solar, it doesn't have to take up any additional land area.
The new solar farms in the Southeast and the Southwest aren’t being installed on Walmarts, they are being placed in natural areas that were clearcut, fields, or the desert.
And yea, the desert is an important habitat.
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 3:41 pm
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Posted on 9/29/21 at 3:40 pm to Obtuse1
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That being said if you socially engineer with discounts etc the charging times during the off peak hours it really was a very approachable issue as well. These are especially true when you consider the EV uptake will be over a couple of decades at best.
Just little things like using connected chargers and possibly smart grids could shift charging around to be every efficient. Have solid discounts from 7pm-1am for even numbered houses and shift to discounts or odd numbered houses from 1am to 7am. These are things that are easy to do in the connected age and could go a long way to smoothing demand.
I respect you as a poster, but alot of that sounds like hopeium.
The required distribution upgrades will be significant, and the production of all that new wire, cable, and other equipment will create a big carbon footprint.
Which brings me back to my question in the OP: When do electric vehicles break even from an environmental standpoint? Does anyone know?
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 9/29/21 at 3:40 pm to weagle99
So are you suggesting that a traditional car/battery factory would have zero impact?
Posted on 9/29/21 at 3:43 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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are you suggesting that a traditional car/battery factory would have zero impact?
Not at all. I hate to see any undeveloped land get covered in asphalt and buildings.
But people aren’t saying that traditional cars or batteries are ‘good for the environment’ like electric vehicles.
The truth is as long as the negative side effects are out of sight, out of mind, Americans will think they are doing something to fix a supposed problem.
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 9/29/21 at 4:20 pm to weagle99
quote:All I can say is it doesn't have to be that way. IMO if we're clearing land specifically for energy needs then it should be something that provides more energy per acre than solar.
The new solar farms in the Southeast and the Southwest aren’t being installed on Walmarts, they are being placed in natural areas that were clearcut, fields, or the desert.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 4:36 pm to Rebel
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TN is a right to work state. Union will fail.
Is Kentucky not?
Posted on 9/29/21 at 4:40 pm to weagle99
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Which brings me back to my question in the OP: When do electric vehicles break even from an environmental standpoint? Does anyone know?
There have been a multitude of studies on this exact topic.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 4:51 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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There have been a multitude of studies on this exact topic.
It’s hard to get anything decent because it’s all so fricking partisan and the people who do them, at least the shite you find on google, is people starting from a conclusion and working backwards.
The big variable is where the generation you charging comes from. But typically in a very green areas you’re probably looking at 8-15k miles. Maybe a little less if you have direct DC solar charging. But if you’re in India or Puerto Rico and get all you’re charging from dirtier sources, it’s 100k+.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 5:32 pm to Korkstand
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All I can say is it doesn't have to be that way.
I agree and I have no problem with solar if it can be located on artificial dark surfaces like asphalt and rooftops. If our government is going to subsidize the movement then use that money to buy up some of these huge abandoned parking lots and put the panels there instead of a natural area.
If we could somehow figure out how to economically make our roads out of solar panels that would be beyond excellent.
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/29/21 at 5:50 pm to soccerfüt
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They probably won't.
That was pretty much the point in locating them in those States.
Weren't there tax breaks being pushed for union made EVs? If so and they wanted to take advantage of that, I imagine they would have to bring the unions in.
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 9/29/21 at 6:01 pm to weagle99
quote:There is work being done on solar paint.
If we could somehow figure out how to economically make our roads out of solar panels that would be beyond excellent.
For me, weaning off of fossil fuels is not so much about the environment as it is about eliminating fuel input costs and democratizing energy production. Harvesting energy from the sun/wind/etc doesn't require us to purchase fuel for each unit of output, so that eliminates a cost entirely, and a variable cost at that. Advances in technology lower energy costs without worry about what will happen to fuel supplies. I also really like solar because it can be acquired by an individual. I believe democratizing our energy production in this way will lead to long term stability and lower energy costs. Cheap and stable energy lubricates an economy.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 6:25 pm to weagle99
Posted on 9/29/21 at 6:31 pm to DLauw
Funny. How did some become such fervent true believers in this that you brush aside legit concerns? Mankind doesn’t have a great track record identifying unintended consequences, something you should recognize if you believe manmade global warming is real.
What makes anyone think this is the answer giving the overwhelming evidence that man typically does not do what is right for the environment?
What makes anyone think this is the answer giving the overwhelming evidence that man typically does not do what is right for the environment?
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 9/29/21 at 6:36 pm to weagle99
5K jobs to Hardin County. Takes the sting out of losing the Hyundai plant to Alabama a few years ago.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 6:37 pm to Winston Cup
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gonna be a lot harder to run over liberals on bicycles
Is it? They won't make noise while running.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 6:44 pm to Korkstand
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Given that it will take decades to approach that level of adoption, I think that can be easily managed.
Are you listening?
Biden said we are going to be all EV by about 2030.
New York is projecting making gasoline powered vehicles illegal by mid 2030s.
Government planners have an impeccable reputation.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 7:52 pm to Gus007
quote:Yes.
Are you listening?
quote:Actually I think the goal is half of new vehicles by 2030. So with half of new vehicles sold in 2030 still being gas, that'll get us well into the 2040's or beyond with plenty of gas cars still on the road.
Biden said we are going to be all EV by about 2030.
quote:Again, this is sales of new vehicles. There will be plenty of gas vehicles in New York well into the 2040's.
New York is projecting making gasoline powered vehicles illegal by mid 2030s.
Are you listening?
Posted on 9/30/21 at 1:33 pm to Gus007
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New York is projecting making gasoline powered vehicles illegal by mid 2030s.
Straight up lie
Posted on 9/30/21 at 1:55 pm to weagle99
Standard Lithium has entered the chat room
Posted on 9/30/21 at 2:55 pm to Klark Kent
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it’s a silly notion no doubt, but regardless big O&G isn’t going away anytime soon. not within our lifetimes. so for someone to be insecure about EVs on that basis, meh.
I work for a Utility Solar EPC. A big chunk of solar money is coming from big oil. Shell, Chevron, BP, Total, etc. They all have the hands in it.
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