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re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by Tiger 50 on 5/10/22 at 9:11 am to Byrdybyrd05
A lot of parents are reliving there youth through there children. Nothing against travel ball but there are no reason kids should be playing the same sport year round. How many will make it to the next level after high school, not many. How many will get burnt out before high school, plenty.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by lsu777 on 5/10/22 at 9:12 am to Tiger Ryno
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Travel baseball or any competitive sport when done correctly by coaches and parents teaches valuable lessons that go far beyond the playing field.
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My son is very talented but I'm under no delusion that he will be a D1 player and I don't care if he does or not. Baseball is a great place for him to learn how to deal with adversity, maintain a positive attitude, care about others regardless of how he's performing In a game and working hard. Baseball will never be an easy game and it will never be fair and that's a great teaching ground for him.
this. who gives a frick about scholarships? why is this brought up so much? other then football & basketball scholarships, sports scholarships pale in comparison to academic ones.
with all the talk about video games....its no wonder so many of you think "travel" baseball sucks. Yall dont like sports so of course it sounds miserable to you.
we have these threads every 2 weeks and everytime the OT throws out the stupid name thing and cherry picks the worst things from different orginizations.
i guess its worth repeating though
1) if a team travels more than an hour drive, that is on them. LC, Laffy, BR, NOLA, Houston, Shreveport, Monroe areas all have a minimum of 2 tournaments a month during season in every age group.
2) its not that expensive, atleast in Louisiana
3) rec leagues suck and your kid cant make a HS team without playing travel. If for nothing else....there are less than a dozen 13 & 14 year leagues in the state. I dunno even know if there are that many. I know in the Lake Charles area i think there are a total of 4 or maybe 5 non travel teams in that age group in the whole area and they play each other.
4) 99% of the kids on our teams play other sports. they are encouraged to
5) you only play like 2 tournaments a month
and no kid that likes baseball or any sport wants to lose. none. This same stupid shite is brought up over and over again on here and all the posters without kids or the selfish parents who just want to be able to go to the camp and drink beer are the ones posting. Or its the ones who never played sports or hate sports talking about it sounds miserable and would rather be at home playing video games. bunch of frickin nerds
first the OTs stance is...kids need to be outside playing sports, they are too fat.....then when a kid likes a sport and wants to play at a high level...its wait...thats not good, sounds miserable.
Kids cant win with yall.
But never change ot, never change
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A lot of parents are reliving there youth through there children. Nothing against travel ball but there are no reason kids should be playing the same sport year round. How many will make it to the next level after high school, not many. How many will get burnt out before high school, plenty.
how many times do yall have to be told this is bullshite?
A) you maybe play 2 or 3 tournament in the fall. thats max, many play 1 or none.
B) kids play other sports in the fall and most teams practice 2 times a week sept-nov
C) you practice 2-3 times a week starting in jan but most teams only play games 2 times a month march-june. or about 9-10 in spring
12 or so between fall and spring season.
July and august is off completely. other sports are played during the fall and winter.
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no reason kids should be playing the same sport year round
I think it’s a great learning lesson to get to the top of a sport, whether you’re the best in state or whatever…it’s just much better than playing three sports crappily.
My boy was a one sport athlete until Jr High and he definitely has a gear most kids still haven’t discovered. The amount of focus he learned through competition at the top level in that one sport is very useful in the other sports he plays.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by The Spleen on 5/10/22 at 9:24 am to lsu777
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who gives a frick about scholarships? why is this brought up so much?
There are some leagues that advertise their placement of players on college teams, so maybe from that. It’s pretty much understood around here that if a kid wants to play on the high school team, he has to play travel ball. But every league/team is different, and some of the broad brushing is off base, though sometimes funny. My son did travel ball for a year, and some of the stereotypes are dead on accurate.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by Bham Bammer on 5/10/22 at 9:26 am to Jyrdis
It's one thing if the kid genuinely loves and enjoys it (I question if they legitimately enjoy doing it 9 months of the year regardless), but spending all the money on travel ball and lessons to get a scholarship that isn't worth half of what they've spent? Hilarious.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by mikelbr on 5/10/22 at 9:35 am to Byrdybyrd05
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After rewatching South Park when both teams were trying to lose on purpose so they can play video games and have fun with their friends, I can’t help to think some kids on the teams feel like that. Some people I know that have their kids in travel ball, I can tell the dad cares more about it than the kid.
Parents absolutely want them little MFers to lose when the following happens:
Lose Game 1 badly at 10am
Win Game 2 from losers bracket at 1pm
Win Game 3 from losers bracket at 230 pm
Game 4 they Face bad arse team from Game 1 again at 530 pm and would have to beat them twice to win tournament.
This is where we'd like to go home after game 3 especially if this is a Sunday night.
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re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by RogerTheShrubber on 5/10/22 at 9:38 am to Tiger 50
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Nothing against travel ball but there are no reason kids should be playing the same sport year round. How many will make it to the next level after high school, not many. How many will get burnt out before high school, plenty.
Kids who love the game will never care about "playing too much."
Kids who are forced by parents or are just trying the game will dislike it. These kids probably shouldn't be playing, let kids who want to play have those spots.
We used to have around 50 kids trying out for 15 spots. if you made it, you loved the game.
quote:Sister's kid is in the teenage range and has several friends who miss out on a lot of stuff because their parents haul them around on travel (sport). One kid misses about 1 out of every 3 weekends with friends because the parents make them do bowling tournaments all over TX/MS/AR/MS/AL. Its pretty pathetic what is going on with the adolescents - they're just not allowed to have normal lives anymore because of the helicopter parents.
Went to a birthday party for son’s neighborhood friend. Another such kid couldn’t make because of some ball thing. We saw him later while walking the dog and he looked really sad when talking about missing the party.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by lsu777 on 5/10/22 at 9:49 am to The Spleen
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There are some leagues that advertise their placement of players on college teams, so maybe from that.
You see that more at the HS level or 13/14 and its more speaking to development and the type of coaching they have there.
now the thing is...still have to do your homework on that.
for example the Canes Baseball orginization (not traction) or Zt elite.....well they recruit and create 2 or 3 true national teams that are 100% free for those kids(think Canes American or Canes National). and when i say free, i mean free everything including free flights and free hotel for the kids on those teams.
then they have teams all over the country that are mainly just aa and aaa that pay full price. Well most of the players they are putting into college are on those American and National teams and all those other teams are playing for those 2.
So orgs should advertise that but they should be truthful and not claim kids that play for 1 year after they have already committed
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It’s pretty much understood around here that if a kid wants to play on the high school team, he has to play travel ball.
pretty much. and like i mentioned for no other reason than there are no leagues for once a kid is older than 12. But in general, with the maybe once every 4-5 year exception, you are not making a high level aaa or majors travel team at 13 or 14 if you have only been playing league. Its just too big a difference in skill level.
and nobody is making a decent HS team if you sit out 2 years, much less just played league before that.
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But every league/team is different, and some of the broad brushing is off base, though sometimes funny
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some of the stereotypes are dead on accurate.
some are but 90% are off base. the stereotypes seem to be more accurate at the lower levels too as in AA ball.
I have kids at all levels and have coached rec ball for 8 years and helped with travel last year.
My oldest is 11 and his travel team fell apart and the other he made ended up not getting but 7 kids so he played league all year. and he specifically said...if i dont make a travel team this year, im done with baseball, little league is a waste of time and in no way shape or form is it going to help me make a HS team.
Said he would rather concentrate on track and football. Honestly i have encouraged him to work hard but have been trying to get him to quit baseball for over a year now cause its not his passion and he isnt naturally talented at it. But he enjoys it so i support him and just keep my opinions to myself and help him anytime he ask.
my middle kid plays on a majors travel team and youngest is only 6 so plays tball.
honestly i will encourage my youngest to play tournament ball next year. league is just not competitive and even with me coaching...you end up spending most of your time working with the weaker kids instead of the strong ones. He enjoyed all stars this year and should make it this year for sure and if he enjoys it....im done with league.
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Sister's kid is in the teenage range and has several friends who miss out on a lot of stuff because their parents haul them around on travel (sport). One kid misses about 1 out of every 3 weekends with friends because the parents make them do bowling tournaments all over TX/MS/AR/MS/AL. Its pretty pathetic what is going on with the adolescents - they're just not allowed to have normal lives anymore because of the helicopter parents.
man im 40, so before travel ball, and we played sports all the time on the weekends and plenty of times missed out on things but it was because we wanted to play the sport more than hanging around the neighborhood.
usually thats the kids that stick it out and play in HS. they are the ones that love the game.
In a city with a population around 50-75k think about it...you start off tball with 200-250 or so kids in the league. by the time you are 9 its down to less than half. by the time you are 11 its less than 75. by the time you are done with 12 year old its down to under 50. By the time you are 14 its 40 kids or so.
well that 40 kids...they have to make the high school teams. so maybe 6-8 per school per grade, lets say you have 4 schools so what 32 kids max still playing going into freshman year. prolly 50% actually stick it out on average so what 16-20 kids actually playing baseball at 18 in a city of 50k-75k????
its always been like that too. The kids that love the game....2 weekends a month is not enough. many ask to pick up with other teams too.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by The Spleen on 5/10/22 at 10:05 am to lsu777
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some are but 90% are off base.
They’re broad generalizations, but in my experience there were walking stereotypes at every tournament we went to. The kid with the big bag and latest bat that sucked, the tatted up dad that yelled at the umps all game, the family in the tricked out Suburban that had to stay at the cheaper hotel because they couldn’t afford the team one, the kids with the Jaxynn type names, and on and on. All of those were the overwhelming minority, but I saw them at almost every tournament we went to. But I agree they make up about 10% of the population. It was just funny to see it in person then see the generalizations here.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by rockchlkjayhku11 on 5/10/22 at 10:49 am to Byrdybyrd05
we threw a semifinal soccer tournament game on labor day weekend because the final was going to be on monday morning and there was a sick party that night.
All these people on here with no problems with it, please explain how one of the greatest pitchers at LSU, drafted in the first round said on a broadcast of a LSU game he was not in favor of the amount of games kids were playing.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by MaximillianPayne on 5/10/22 at 11:28 am to Byrdybyrd05
Travel ball and youth competitive sports get a bad rap sometimes. And yes, "those crazy parents" definitely exist. They are cringeworthy, but I think they are in the minority.
I can say with our kid that competitive sports really changed her life. She was always an introverted kid with not many friends and average grades. Competitive sports brought her out of her shell. It taught her how to make friends and be part of a team. It taught her about dealing with the high of winning but also the lows of losing and picking yourself up to take on the next challenge. It has driven her to want to get better and at more ways than just the sport itself. She also settled into a routine balancing the demands of school with practices and travel weekends, etc. that tremendously helped her grades.
Watching her compete on the field is one of the true joys in my life. But we have always told her from day one that this sport is a game. It's supposed to be fun, not some chore. It will lead wherever it leads, but it's up to her. I wish that I could watch her play forever, but that's not my decision.
I can say with our kid that competitive sports really changed her life. She was always an introverted kid with not many friends and average grades. Competitive sports brought her out of her shell. It taught her how to make friends and be part of a team. It taught her about dealing with the high of winning but also the lows of losing and picking yourself up to take on the next challenge. It has driven her to want to get better and at more ways than just the sport itself. She also settled into a routine balancing the demands of school with practices and travel weekends, etc. that tremendously helped her grades.
Watching her compete on the field is one of the true joys in my life. But we have always told her from day one that this sport is a game. It's supposed to be fun, not some chore. It will lead wherever it leads, but it's up to her. I wish that I could watch her play forever, but that's not my decision.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by Quesadilla Superman on 5/10/22 at 11:42 am to Byrdybyrd05
My 8 year old nephew decided not to play tournament ball or All Stars. I shite you not, the kid said it ruined his fishing time last summer
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by EA6B on 5/10/22 at 11:43 am to Byrdybyrd05
A lot of kids are like I was, they know it makes their dad happy, and would never do anything to let them down no matter how miserable they are.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by wheelz007 on 5/10/22 at 11:53 am to Byrdybyrd05
Believe it or not, most of the kids that play at that level love it. Some don't.
I would say 7 or 8 out of the 10 or 11 kids on the team love it and want to work almost everyday. 3-4 of the kids on the team don't love it and are just along for the ride.
I would say it's complicated. I've got 8-10 former players on tournament teams ....
Tournament ball is difficult on many levels because you're playing 3-5 games per weekend, which means you have to cover 11-20 innings of pitching. The teams you're playing are built just like yours and winning 60% of your games is pretty good. Getting on base 60% of the time is pretty good. This means there's a lot of failure.... AND it's a business.
And then there's that 1-2 kids on each team that aren't on the same level as the other kids. Talent-wise, they may be better suited for a rec league BUT---
The Rec league we play at struggles to find coaches. Let alone good coaches. And then some of the teams are bad. Like, circus bad.
So, of the 5 teams in a rec league, 2 of them probably have good strong coaches, while the others may not.
So putting your kid in a rec league may really be counter-productive. It's risky.
Most tournament teams practice 2 times per week and play every other weekend. So they do have weekends off..... but not many.
I would say 7 or 8 out of the 10 or 11 kids on the team love it and want to work almost everyday. 3-4 of the kids on the team don't love it and are just along for the ride.
I would say it's complicated. I've got 8-10 former players on tournament teams ....
Tournament ball is difficult on many levels because you're playing 3-5 games per weekend, which means you have to cover 11-20 innings of pitching. The teams you're playing are built just like yours and winning 60% of your games is pretty good. Getting on base 60% of the time is pretty good. This means there's a lot of failure.... AND it's a business.
And then there's that 1-2 kids on each team that aren't on the same level as the other kids. Talent-wise, they may be better suited for a rec league BUT---
The Rec league we play at struggles to find coaches. Let alone good coaches. And then some of the teams are bad. Like, circus bad.
So, of the 5 teams in a rec league, 2 of them probably have good strong coaches, while the others may not.
So putting your kid in a rec league may really be counter-productive. It's risky.
Most tournament teams practice 2 times per week and play every other weekend. So they do have weekends off..... but not many.
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by LaLadyinTx on 5/10/22 at 11:55 am to lsu777
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Travel baseball or any competitive sport when done correctly by coaches and parents teaches valuable lessons that go far beyond the playing field.
this and
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My son is very talented but I'm under no delusion that he will be a D1 player and I don't care if he does or not. Baseball is a great place for him to learn how to deal with adversity, maintain a positive attitude, care about others regardless of how he's performing In a game and working hard. Baseball will never be an easy game and it will never be fair and that's a great teaching ground for him.
this. who gives a frick about scholarships? why is this brought up so much? other then football & basketball scholarships, sports scholarships pale in comparison to academic ones.
with all the talk about video games....its no wonder so many of you think "travel" baseball sucks. Yall dont like sports so of course it sounds miserable to you.
first the OTs stance is...kids need to be outside playing sports, they are too fat.....then when a kid likes a sport and wants to play at a high level...its wait...thats not good, sounds miserable.
Kids cant win with yall.
But never change ot, never change
People whose kids have not participated in a fairly high level of competition will never understand this stuff. It's never about chasing a scholarship. It's about having a kid that really likes whatever sport and is halfway decent at it. Not fabulously talented. Just average or a little better, loves it, and is a hard worker. You have that kid and as a parent, it's up to you to find them the best coaching you can and get them the best opportunities you can.
My kid (grown up now) spent countless hours in a gym, training gymnastics 25 hours a week, 5 days a week. She was off on Sunday and one day during the week. Meets were mostly in the Houston area at first. But as they're in it longer, you do have to do some travel to go to meets with good competition. And you want good competition.
Eventually kid gets injured and switches to diving. Dives during HS and does end up diving NCAA. But it's not about that. She received minimal scholarship money.
But the lessons she learned along the way...priceless. What amount of money can teach hard work, determination, keep on trying when it hard, delayed gratification, time management...basically so many fabulous qualities you want in an adult, in an employee, etc. She will never fail at anything she really wants to do and most of that came from lessons she learned in sports.
This post was edited on 5/10 at 11:59 am
re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?Posted by Dingeaux on 5/10/22 at 11:59 am to LSUAlum2001
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They want those idiotic championship rings! Makes them feel like Tom Brady!
i think you can get rings for first, second, or third. makes no sense
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