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re: How many kids wish they lose in travel ball and tournaments?

Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
1964 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:06 pm to
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For the kids and parents who hate travel ball, is there not a league they can play locally?


When I was a kid (in the 90's) our small town always had at least 3-4 Dixie youth league rec teams, 3-4 girls soft ball teams, t-ball for the younger kids.

My oldest son is seven and he is playing on a coach pitch co-ed softball team and there's only two teams and most of the time there isn't enough kids on one team or the other that show up to play so they have to borrow kids from the other team. The kids/parents just don't show up for games. I was talking to another dad the other day around the same age as me. Once we were signed up for baseball not showing up wasn't an option back then. Travel ball has ruined the recreation league. There's parks around here that just don't exist anymore. It's sad really because most of my best childhood memories were playing ball.

Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
1964 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:08 pm to
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The OT's version of travel ball would be absolutely miserable. But the OT's version of travel ball is packaged as all the bad aspects, and bad stereotypes and nothing else. It's mainly the opinions of people who either don't have kids, or don't have kids that play baseball.


I work with a travel ball coach. Our version is pretty accurate.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30960 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:25 pm to
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Travel ball has ruined the recreation league. There's parks around here that just don't exist anymore. It's sad really because most of my best childhood memories were playing ball.





you sure its not the other way around?

travel became bigger and bigger because people got tired of exactly what you described. So now every kid that is worth anything pretty much goes travel with a few exception every year. now those kids that are half way decent fall further behind every year because of this.

personally though, and i have explained this before, the current system is better than it was. kids that are left in rec are getting more playing time and getting to play positions they never would have before and getting more attention from the coaches there. this allows that one rare exception that stays in rec but suddenly hits a crazy growth spurt in puberty to develop. otherwise he would be left to the wind.

travel ball didnt ruin rec baseball, shitty parents did. I have kids in both and coach rec, even at the tball level, i have parents that just decide they dont wanna come that day.

we had a whole team whose parents voted not to even participate in year end playoff, but luckily the coach took a vote of the kids and the 6 year olds wanted to actually compete.

again shitty parents in rec not caring if their kid got better or not drove all the decent kids to travel ball. there is good from that but certainly some kids get left behind.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30960 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:36 pm to
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Believe it or not, most of the kids that play at that level love it. Some don't.

I would say 7 or 8 out of the 10 or 11 kids on the team love it and want to work almost everyday. 3-4 of the kids on the team don't love it and are just along for the ride.

I would say it's complicated. I've got 8-10 former players on tournament teams ....

Tournament ball is difficult on many levels because you're playing 3-5 games per weekend, which means you have to cover 11-20 innings of pitching. The teams you're playing are built just like yours and winning 60% of your games is pretty good. Getting on base 60% of the time is pretty good. This means there's a lot of failure.... AND it's a business.

And then there's that 1-2 kids on each team that aren't on the same level as the other kids. Talent-wise, they may be better suited for a rec league BUT---

The Rec league we play at struggles to find coaches. Let alone good coaches. And then some of the teams are bad. Like, circus bad.

So, of the 5 teams in a rec league, 2 of them probably have good strong coaches, while the others may not.

So putting your kid in a rec league may really be counter-productive. It's risky.

Most tournament teams practice 2 times per week and play every other weekend. So they do have weekends off..... but not many.


exactly this


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People whose kids have not participated in a fairly high level of competition will never understand this stuff. It's never about chasing a scholarship. It's about having a kid that really likes whatever sport and is halfway decent at it. Not fabulously talented. Just average or a little better, loves it, and is a hard worker. You have that kid and as a parent, it's up to you to find them the best coaching you can and get them the best opportunities you can.

My kid (grown up now) spent countless hours in a gym, training gymnastics 25 hours a week, 5 days a week. She was off on Sunday and one day during the week. Meets were mostly in the Houston area at first. But as they're in it longer, you do have to do some travel to go to meets with good competition. And you want good competition.

Eventually kid gets injured and switches to diving. Dives during HS and does end up diving NCAA. But it's not about that. She received minimal scholarship money.

But the lessons she learned along the way...priceless. What amount of money can teach hard work, determination, keep on trying when it hard, delayed gratification, time management...basically so many fabulous qualities you want in an adult, in an employee, etc. She will never fail at anything she really wants to do and most of that came from lessons she learned in sports.


thank you. it seems people that quit playing sports in junior high or in 5th grade seemt o tank any and all of this is crazy or they were the ones that just played football in high school.

i have said it before on here and its worth repeating

go ask anyone that played in high school and truely played if they regret practicing too much.....you will get the following response

"too much?? hell no, i regret not practicing enough!!"

ask any true competitor that loves the game and is playing for the love of the game, not for a parent if they regret playing too much as a kid...they will say certainly not.

now....there are a lot of kids now a days that are very high level and are taking off their 8th grade year to just go fishing and other things because they have played their whole life and this is their last chance to do it before high school and they are taking advantage of it.

I applaud that but those kids have stayed in lessons so they dont get passed up but its a risk. luckily these kids are good enough and can do that and still make the HS team.

Many on here talk about parents living through the kids...you see that more at the younger AA level imo. its the kids that arent very good or dont really love the game so they dont put in tons of work. The kids that are in really good.....by 9 are putting in shite loads of work. They are the kids that the parents have to make rest because all they want to do is put in work

my 9 year old is like that. he is sitting on the bucket waiting for me to get home almost every day. just waiting for me to hit to him. he has been like that since he was 6. My current 6 year old goes home and gets the tee out and hits a bucket almost every single day after school.

i dont tell them to do that. in fact i usually bitch about having to go hit to them the moment i get home from work without getting a second to rest. But i do it because its their passion.

my oldest love the throws in track and football. With baseball i would have to remind him he needed to practice....now he is outside working almsot everyday without a word said to him.

Some kids love sports...not all kids love every sport and sometimes it takes a while for them to find their passion. Best thing we can do as parents is support them in their goals and teach them how to have balance in life and that grades and god have to remain the top priorties.

some kids dont like sports....again thats ok. Best thing we can do as parents is support, help them find their passion and teach them how to have balance in life and that grades and god have to remain the top priorties.


lot more to sports than getting a scholarship thats for damn sure.
Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
1964 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:40 pm to
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the current system is better than it was. kids that are left in rec are getting more playing time and getting to play positions they never would have before and getting more attention from the coaches there


It just depends where you live. You take 60% of kids out of a small town rec league to play travel ball and it decimates rec ball which is what happened where I live. Now there's a handful of good kids and the rest have trash parents that bring them if they feel like going. In a region with a larger populous, travel ball doesn't affect it as badly.
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
3002 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:45 pm to
the OT is more obsessed with travel ball than the travel ball families and kids involved
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
8225 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:33 pm to
Rec ball parents here. JaBraxxtonBaws can push us to do more if they want, otherwise we'll keep it casual. Also they suck.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35341 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:55 pm to
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the OT is more obsessed with travel ball than the travel ball families and kids involved



My kid plays travel ball


I saw a FB post of someone congratulating their kid for being "Runner Up Champions"


The OT is 100% correct
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
93688 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 4:07 pm to
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the OT is more obsessed with travel ball than the travel ball families and kids involved


Aren’t they though?

I’ve never seen so many grown men whine and moan about kids playing ball without having kids playing ball.

I have a couple dads on my Facebook page that make snarky comments about tourney ball all the time like they’re above everyone else. All the while, I know FOR A FACT that if their boys wanted to play, they’d be out there. But their boys aren’t far enough along to do so. I even talked to one one day and he was thinking about starting his own and it never came about. Now he makes snarky comments about “calm down tourney call dads” any time there’s a post about it that discredits anything that’s NOT rec ball.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30960 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 4:37 pm to
Haha the moss bluff ones are the worst to be honest. The funny thing was last year in all stars seeing how many of them complaining about the tournament ball kids playing for sulphur and slc.

Finally had enough from one I went to school with and had to say something. He didn't like that
Posted by SmackDaniels
Gulf Breeze, FL
Member since Mar 2007
15134 posts
Posted on 5/10/22 at 7:26 pm to
Those are weeded out pretty early. I've had it happen but you don't see it much past 12 at all.
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