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re: How do you feel about twitter fact checking you?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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For gods sake, snopes was fact checking memes and satire sites.
They started as a website fact checking things like urban legends and Disney rumors. They did/do everything.
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 12:53 pm to sicboy
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do people not see the difference between you or I spreading disinformation and the leader of the most powerful country in the world?
Do you not see that the fact checker cited the three most biased news services in this country? You know, the three that are in the middle of being outed for their parts in the attempted coup of the leader of the most powerful country in the world?
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:02 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
Unlike the Bad Orange Man, Our Hero-The Progressive Fact Checker is the most accomplished and Facty man in the world.
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Yoel Roth Hi. I'm Yoel. I work at Twitter. I have a PhD in Communication from the University of Pennsylvania, studying privacy and safety on gay social networks. I take a lot of pictures of my corgi.
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I’m just saying, we fly over those states that voted for a racist tangerine for a reason.
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“Every time a cute boy uses an Android phone, I die inside” is the new “Every time a cute boy tells me he’s a Republican, I die inside.”
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Yes, that person in the pink hat is clearly a bigger threat to your brand of feminism than ACTUAL NAZIS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:03 pm to TxWadingFool
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That link will take you to over 1100 convictions of voter fraud from all over the US, mail in ballots are one of the biggest contributors. Some of the cases equaled dozens if not hundreds of votes that were cast illegally. Its laughable people don't believe elections aren't manipulated in this country one way or another.
#1 your link goes to The Heritage Foundation. Don't be ashamed to put that in your post
#2 1,285 instances of voter fraud SINCE 1982.
#3 some of the details are hilarious, like buying votes with cocaine.
#4 Voter fraud can and will happen when people move from one state to another, because voting happens on a local level. Doesn't excuse it, but without federally-controlled voting there will be instances of this.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:24 pm to McVick
Presidential elections should be a federal holiday. An ID should be required. Early voting for 2 weeks should be a thing. Online voting should be a thing as long as the ID has scan code on it. You scan the ID, put in your pin number and vote. You must register and give valid reason to vote online. Like being overseas for one reason or another. If you are a tax payer. I would be okay with the IRS granting individuals a 5 dollar tax credit for voting
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:37 pm to tgrgrd00
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See this is EXACTLY THE PROBLEM but these sheep can't see it.
They read on Twitter that mail in voting fraud isn't a problem. When in fact it is. But because someone on Twitter told them there is no problem they believe it.
It's amazing the blinders some people have. I used to think it was naivety now I just think it's stupid.
Trump's claim was not that there mail-in voting was subject to fraud, but rather definitely said that Gov. Newsom was sending ballots to every breathing person, regardless of legal/felon status, and they would all vote. That's blatantly false.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:37 pm to yatesdog38
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Presidential elections should be a federal holiday. An ID should be required.
How do we handle required IDs? Will states be required to supply their citizens with federally recognized IDs for free? Anything else could be seen as a poll tax. What about people who change addresses before registering to vote? Should states not allow new people to vote, or will they be required to allow vote-by-mail in those instances? Can an FL election clerk accurately verify a NY ID?
If people are concerned about voter fraud for federal elections, then the federal government needs to host the elections. Without direct federal financial support and resources for elections I am not in favor of requiring an ID at the local level.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:41 pm to TxWadingFool
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Some of the cases equaled dozens if not hundreds of votes that were cast illegally
138,000,000 people voted in 2016. And you're talking about a couple dozen cases of voter fraud? We should make voting more difficult for people because "maybe" a couple hundred votes were fraudulently cast out of nearly 140,000,000 votes?
FOH.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:46 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Some of the cases equaled dozens if not hundreds of votes that were cast illegally
138,000,000 people voted in 2016. And you're talking about a couple dozen cases of voter fraud?
That's the thing about saying there's a problem. Out of documented instances of actual illegality, you can't point to one that would swing an election.
Of all the generally dirty things about elections, I wouldn't rate voter fraud top 100 in issues facing elections.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:47 pm to Rep520
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Of all the generally dirty things about elections, I wouldn't rate voter fraud top 100 in issues facing elections
As a Georgian who experienced Brian Kemp serving as Secretary of State, presiding over his own election, which was full of voting irregularities, lack of voting machines in urban areas, etc., I'm with you....it's the corrupt fricks in office we need to worry about, not some stupid voter fraud.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:51 pm to Tshiz
should we not expect our leaders to be honest? i am happy with fact checks to protect the gulluble from bs. but,at some point, will the fact checkers inject their propaganda into the discussions? a conundrum for sure.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:52 pm to Rep520
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Out of documented instances of actual illegality, you can't point to one that would swing an election.
Smaller, local elections can definitely be swung with fraudulent activity. Possibly district-wide elections can be with the right scheme. Absolutely no chance statewide or national elections can be.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:57 pm to The Spleen
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Smaller, local elections can definitely be swung with fraudulent activity. Possibly district-wide elections can be with the right scheme. Absolutely no chance statewide or national elections can be.
I looked at my own state, Arizona, which allows a lot of mail in voting. There were 7 fraudulent votes in the 2016 election by the Heritage link.
Even on the local level, the chances that number would have an effect is miniscule. Hell, even just vs long lines at polling places, I'd say long lines are a larger issue.
We've been mail voting for years in AZ and things haven't gotten crazy with voting results. Our state legislature handles the crazy.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 2:18 pm to Rep520
Yeah, it's still very rare. And I'm guessing that Heritage link includes an Alabama case where a guy didn't change his voter registration after moving and voting at his old precinct.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 2:23 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
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Do you not see that the fact checker cited the three most biased news services in this country? You know, the three that are in the middle of being outed for their parts in the attempted coup of the leader of the most powerful country in the world?
Which part were they wrong about?
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What you need to know
- Trump falsely claimed that mail-in ballots would lead to "a Rigged Election." However, fact-checkers say there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud.
- Trump falsely claimed that California will send mail-in ballots to "anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there." In fact, only registered voters will receive ballots.
- Five states already vote entirely by mail and all states offer some form of mail-in absentee voting, according to NBC News.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 2:24 pm to Tshiz
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Is fact checking tweets a violation of free speech?
And this is why we need fact checking. Oy vey.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 3:10 pm to Rep520
Posted on 5/27/20 at 3:17 pm to Green Chili Tiger
And you quote the same three sources, lol.
How can they say “falsely claimed that mail in ballots would lead to a “Rigged Election?” In your heart of hearts, do you think mail in ballots in Chicago, Philadelphia, et al would be legitimate??? There’s no proof it’s a false claim because it hasn’t been tried.
How can they say “falsely claimed that mail in ballots would lead to a “Rigged Election?” In your heart of hearts, do you think mail in ballots in Chicago, Philadelphia, et al would be legitimate??? There’s no proof it’s a false claim because it hasn’t been tried.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 3:27 pm to wheelr
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28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections
It seems like the article is just counting unreturned mail in ballots or absentee ballots. In a country with about 50% voter participation, I don't think it's particularly odd that you get that # of unreturned ballots.
The article says 1 of 7 Oregon mail ballots went unreturned. This means 6 of 7 voters participated, which is pretty high comparatively.
I think it's odd to attribute unreturned ballots as fraud instead of just people not voting.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 3:34 pm to Rep520
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I think it's odd to attribute unreturned ballots as fraud instead of just people not voting.
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Although there is no evidence that the millions of missing ballots were used fraudulently, the Public Interest Legal Foundation, which compiled the public data provided from the Election Assistance Commission, says that the sheer volume of them raises serious doubts about election security.
There are also links to studies and articles discussing concerns.
It seems all of those concerns should be looked at and addressed before trying to push through mail-in voting within a few months. But some apparently have zero concern and act like because mass voter fraud hasn't been prosecuted, it isn't happening.
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