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re: How can one abuse "Unlimited PTO"?
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:17 am to SportsGuyNOLA
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:17 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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I would schedule 1 more week off than I was allowed/had taken the previous year
This, and the guy that said 6 weeks sounds about what I was wanting to do.
Well boys, looks like I'll see a few more days in the deer stand this year.
Me - 1, Company 0, Deer - TBD.
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:18 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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And what real recourse does the company have in this case if you keep it consistent within a few days of your historical vacation time?
They don’t.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:18 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 10:05 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:19 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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Ideally, I'd like to come out ahead by a few days. In the world of ambiguity, does this cross over to "abuse" in your mind?
No. In fact, I wouldn’t even consider taking 7-8 weeks/year as abusing it.
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And what would you interpret as "abuse" if this were the policy where you worked?
I’d consider “abuse” as someone decided to only work 3 days a week & taking PTO every Monday & Friday or something similar.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:19 am to WhiskeyThrottle
I would think the trick would be to take a lot of one and two days. Taking two weeks multiple times or a three week is going to get noticed. But if you burn a bunch of Fridays and Wednesdays while still answering the cell and important emails I am betting they won't notice.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:20 am to chryso
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I would say abuse is if you dont do any work and are always on vacation.
my above scenario is where i think there can be abuse. the guy in question is smart and good at his job, but he's probably on vacation a week a month.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:21 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Abuse is going to be defined differently from person to person so I’d ask for written clarification from HR on what is considered abuse.
Abuse to me would be taking off several weeks in a row without any backup or plan for my coworkers/boss.
Abuse to me would be taking off several weeks in a row without any backup or plan for my coworkers/boss.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:22 am to JimTiger72
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I’d consider “abuse” as someone decided to only work 3 days a week & taking PTO every Monday & Friday or something similar.
This was actually the only thing they mentioned that it isn't designed to take shorter work weeks. As long as we're getting our work done, and our manager approves, we're in the clear. I'm going to start by shooting for 6 weeks this year, then 7 next year, and maybe go up one week intervals every year after until they say something.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:22 am to Cajun367
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If an employer ever tells me unlimited I'm not showing up and seeing how long it takes before they fire me.
haha i like this idea. or - once you are notified that not showing up at all is considered "abuse", then come in one day a month. once you are notified that THAT is also considered "abuse", then come in two days a month. continue this until you reach equilibrium.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 10:23 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:25 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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The company did this undoubtedly for their benefit.
Studies routinely say employees take less PTO when they have unlimited plans. So yes.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:26 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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In the world of ambiguity, does this cross over to "abuse" in your mind? And what would you interpret as "abuse" if this were the policy where you worked?
It crosses over to abuse when you are using gratuitous amounts of time off - taking every Monday and every Friday, for example. Or you are no longer meeting the same level of productivity, or you are selectively unavailable for certain things.
"Where were you for our daily 8am sales briefing?"
"Oh, I am on PTO every morning from 8-9am as well as from 11a-1p and then again I'm on PTO from 3-5p every afternoon."
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:26 am to Northshore Aggie
I would take off every Monday and Friday and see what happens 
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:27 am to JimTiger72
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No. In fact, I wouldn’t even consider taking 7-8 weeks/year as abusing it
You're about to have the "I never take a day off" brigade up your arse for this one.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:29 am to h0bnail
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This sounds like a good way to make employees feel too guilty to use PTO.
100%
family member is a Director of HR and MANY companies are moving to "Unlimited PTO" because its been found that most people actually take far less PTO under this than when there is a limited amount, for some reason. Bizarre but true.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:30 am to WhiskeyThrottle
We started unlimited where I am and it’s tough to judge how to use it now too. I’ve started to lay out a full week off in the spring/summer and one in the winter and then sprinkle in back to back 4 day work weeks around single day holidays to see what my use is and how I feel about it.
It’s almost as if they are using it against you in a “should you really be taking time off” if you had a bad quarter type of way that guilts you into taking less and giving them something to point at.
It’s almost as if they are using it against you in a “should you really be taking time off” if you had a bad quarter type of way that guilts you into taking less and giving them something to point at.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:32 am to Ingeniero
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You're about to have the "I never take a day off" brigade up your arse for this one.
This group is comprised of old farts that use the workplace as an escape from a cranky wife, place to mouth diarrhea with other old farts and generally wander around. However, their presence, which usually begins before the official start time, does not equate to productivity in any meaningful way.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:33 am to WhiskeyThrottle
I have a few friends in the consulting business and they also have unlimited sick days/PTO, but they also have a system around how much they are utilized. So I guess they can takeoff as much as they want as long as they are billing in hours to the client.
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:34 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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This is our first year having "unlimited PTO". The caveat is "if you abuse it, you're subject to disciplinary action".
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:34 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Most places use this as “get your work done and you can use your PTO”. But it makes it difficult to schedule PTO and use it - the work never stops. Most companies you set PTO and people understand the work with falter for a bit. With the “unlimited PTO”, it’s the opposite, you can never justify getting behind on work while out
It’s probably a lot better used as taking bits of time off every day or every week, but less effective for taking larger chunks like a week or more
It’s probably a lot better used as taking bits of time off every day or every week, but less effective for taking larger chunks like a week or more
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:35 am to WhiskeyThrottle
the only "abuse" i see here is the psychological abuse of this company telling their employees that they have unlimited PTO but that it's not actually unlimited, that there are completely ambiguous rules tied to this, and that if you break the ambiguous rules you face, presumably, some pretty unambiguous discipline.
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