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re: Houston Chronicle Article on Southern Baptist Sexual Abuse
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:15 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:15 pm to RollTide1987
quote:No, these are the actions of individuals. Human beings molested children, and other humans covered up for them in order to preserve the church's reputation and its finances. Now the people who have authority in the Catholic Church need to tackle the problem instead of deflecting blame. The Church must accept moral responsibility for tolerating sexual abuse and make real changes to prevent that internal culture from continuing.
Which are the actions of an evil power at work, aka Lucifer.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:19 pm to notiger1997
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And I bet there are a ton of small town tiny Baptist churches where some of this crap has happened where it wasn't reported and/or nothing was done because of local politics.
Yeah, exactly. Here’s the thing: the most powerful man in most Southern towns is the Southern Baptist preacher. It was in mine growing up.
First off, a member of his congregation came to this preacher, and said he was gay. The preacher proceeded to out him to the congregation saying that they’re not comfortable with people like him being there and especially around their children.
Then a few months later, my mom personally started a petition to turn our county wet, and it got the necessary thousand signatures. Somehow the preacher gets his hands on the petition (ie a member of his congregation that worked for the county stole it) and then he proceeded to read the names of the members of his church that signed it, and also kicked those people out of the church.
And less than a year later, this piece of shite is caught fricking his secretary. Then for some reason he becomes all about forgiveness. Oh how he sinned and he is deserving of forgiveness, despite the fact that the people he had excommunicated from the church before then did things that were objectively less morally abhorrent than what he had done.
Southern Baptists as a whole are just so full of shite. It’s as if they looked at the Pharisees and built a church off of that.
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:29 pm to OMLandshark
This thread reminded me to check the registry. Turns out there is someone on the list that volunteers at our church.
Dude was added when he was 21 for “indecent behavior with juveniles.”
Dude was added when he was 21 for “indecent behavior with juveniles.”
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:29 pm to OMLandshark
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Southern Baptists as a whole are just so full of shite. It’s as if they looked at the Pharisees and built a church off of that
And the Catholic Church has moved around pedophiles. Part of the Presbyterian church has fully embraced homosexuality, abortion, and transgenderism.
I don’t say that as a gotcha, but that every denomination has its warts as we’re run by imperfect people.
This infighting makes me weep from both sides. The Catholic Church does not have it all right. Protestant churches do not have it all right.
We need to call out for repentance of sin on all sides for the sake of the gospel. Delighting in hearing the other side did something bad is nowhere in the Bible or doctrine, regardless if you think the other side aren’t really Christians.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:32 pm to 3nOut
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And the Catholic Church has moved around pedophiles.
I’m vocal about them as well, but I haven’t seen as much hypocrisy from the Catholic constituency than the Southern Baptists. It’s a running joke with Southern Baptists that you don’t acknowledge each other in a liquor store. Hypocrisy is sewn into them.
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Part of the Presbyterian church has fully embraced homosexuality, abortion, and transgenderism.
Two of those are lesser crimes.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:35 pm to OMLandshark
Sounds about right. Baptist in general made me dislike religion for the first 20 years of my life
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:36 pm to RLDSC FAN
They should all have their arse kicked and be jailed. I suspect there are more than a few across the south that had that very experience. The Baptist does not have the institutional structure to cover up things to the degree the Catholics did but they should at least help their local churches with background checks and maintaining data bases.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:36 pm to PureMetairie
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We are the one true church. Deal with it.
I’m just a lowly believer, friend, but if my Bible is right, we’ll all have plenty to deal with. I for one would never add to it by judging everyone not of my religion as heretics. You Taliban, or Catholic?
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:40 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Yeah, your pedophiles are misunderstood angels compared to our pedophiles.
My post said nothing of the sort. How could you possibly even get that from what I posted. I was mainly addressing organizational differences.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:42 pm to OMLandshark
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I’m vocal about them as well, but I haven’t seen as much hypocrisy from the Catholic constituency than the Southern Baptists
I’m former southern baptist and I find that laughable. Not that you’re wrong, just that all that does is further the arguments by your opinion.
I say that as a huge critic of the SBC who left on fairly bad terms.
That’s just like a Democrat telling a Republican they’re better because their party has made guys like Al Franken step down more than Republicans have made their people step down. Its laughable because the same party still celebrates Clinton to this day.
It’s an entirely unquantifiable statement because of the individual’s anecdotal experiences and biases.
That being said, I want us all to call sin, sin, repent, and further the gospel. Not point fingers.
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Two of those are lesser crimes
Of course. But it is a perversion if the Bible’s teachings to an indefensible degree. You want to argue Calvinism, Arminianism, Eucharist, immersion, sprinkling, Catholicism, or Protestantism, or whatever?
Cool. It’s a debatable topic.
Acting like the Bible condones any of those 3 things ain’t there.
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:44 pm to OMLandshark
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Southern Baptists as a whole are just so full of shite.
Agree.. biggest bunch of hypocrites there are . hated the 2-facedness of the entire thing.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:46 pm to High C
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21 year old volunteers as assistant youth minister, bangs 16-17 year old, qualifies for this list? I guarantee that a large percentage of these sexual abuse cases are similar to that scenario, as opposed to a 40 year old priest sodomizing 12 year old boys.
Give me a break dude. These scenarios are exactly what pedophiles look for. Positions of authority and trust that give them access to children. It happens in Catholic and protestant alike.
The desire to hide it by any given organization is common as well. The big difference is that the Catholic church shifted these guys around, protestant churches tend to quietly dismiss them at which point they move on to another denomination. Each is bad, one is just slightly more complicit than the other. But only slightly.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:51 pm to RLDSC FAN
The SBC better make that stuff against policy. Them openly endorsing that kinda thing is crap.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 2:18 pm to jacquespene8
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The SBC better make that stuff against policy. Them openly endorsing that kinda thing is crap.
Their problem was letting it be reported to law enforcement in the first place. What they should have done is shame the victim for harming the church’s reputation, pay off the victim’s parents to keep it quiet, and sent the offender to another church with tighter lipped juveniles to abuse. Most of the folks here would have been fine with that.
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 2/10/19 at 2:20 pm to troyt37
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Christianity is the bridegroom of Christ, not the Catholic Church.
The two are one and the same. Protestantism is a heresy along the same lines as gnosticism and Arianism.
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Protestant reform is not a product on Satan, it’s a product of Catholics using doctrine and dogma, making their own religion with no basis in scripture.
The two basic tenants of the Protestant Reformation - sola fide and sola scriptura - have absolutely no basis in scripture. And since it was the Catholic Church who wrote and compiled the New Testament, I think we have a better grasp on scripture than some church that is only 100 years old.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 2:22 pm to RollTide1987
The churches with a powerful national and international infrastructure are going to have more cases per church in appearance but I bet churches without such a powerful world wide and nation wide infrastructure can hide it more easily.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 2:33 pm to RollTide1987
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And since it was the Catholic Church who wrote and compiled the New Testament,
Hey! That’s a new one! How many times is Catholicism mentioned in the book Catholics wrote? How many indulgences did Peter sell, and where did he send his homosexual fellow priests, instead of subjecting them to the law? And how the hell did the Catholic Church remain so almighty holy, after making what was rendered unto Caesar look like a child’s coin purse by comparison?
Posted on 2/10/19 at 2:36 pm to RLDSC FAN
This will be Catholics fault before it is over with
Posted on 2/10/19 at 2:42 pm to RLDSC FAN
Oh great, another church in trouble. It's part of the end-times apostasy, as prophesied.
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