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re: Homebuilders cancelling contracts to sell for more on market

Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3174 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:26 pm to
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The economy as it stands is unsustainable and is on a high speed collision course to collapse.


I have such a pit in my stomach for what is coming. All one can do is hedge and prepare.
Posted by NOLAVOL16
Member since Jan 2022
873 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:30 pm to
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t's starting to feel about like 2006 with regards to home prices.


Yes, except this time those prices aren’t based on people buying homes who can’t afford the payment through risky loans. The flippers May end up taking a hit but anyone buying to live in long term is going to be fine.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:33 pm to
I'm just sitting back and waiting to buy on the cheap when defaultville inevitably hits
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57447 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:33 pm to
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And people wonder why more and more youth are at least willing to listen to the demnocrat ideas of socialism and the like.
I do wonder. Because most of cause of this democrat and socialistic ideas.

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Meanwhile the 70 year olds making these decisions just want to trash the youth and call the lazy and spoiled.
yeah sure. Lots of younger folks demanding more government fiscal responsibility, increased personal responsibility, less dependence on government, and less deficit spending.
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 9:36 pm
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12499 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:35 pm to
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However, the idea that institutional investors are somehow largely to blame for the current housing market catastrophe is wrong and obscures the real problem. Housing prices have been skyrocketing due to historically low supply, low mortgage rates, and the largest generation in American history entering the market looking for starter homes.


Calling bullshite on this.

Larger than Boomers in the 70s?
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 9:36 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48983 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:35 pm to
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The flippers May end up taking a hit but anyone buying to live in long term is going to be fine.

Well, there's really never been a time that wasn't true with a long enough timeline.

But people are paying more of their income towards housing now and that money has to come from somewhere when wages don't keep pace, which they aren't.
Posted by NOLAVOL16
Member since Jan 2022
873 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:36 pm to
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m just sitting back and waiting to buy on the cheap when defaultville inevitably hits


Serious question - who is going to default? The only people who have been able to buy for the last few years are those paying cash and highly qualified people.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:37 pm to
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The bubble won’t burst because Black Rock won’t sell, they are turning them into single family rentals.




Its true though. I make a really good living and I'm struggling to establish long term wealth for my kids. 20 years ago, a person my age in my field with my qualifications wouldn't have such concerns. They'd be swiping up land and property
Posted by NOLAVOL16
Member since Jan 2022
873 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:39 pm to
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But people are paying more of their income towards housing now and that money has to come from somewhere when wages don't keep pace, which they aren't.


The whole point of buying is that your cost doesn’t increase when prices go up. As long as we don’t have massive job losses the market is not going to crash. Your mortgage payment in real dollars is the most expensive it ever will be on the day you sign the paper. It doesn’t get less affordable over time, especially not when compared to renting.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:41 pm to
Put a offer on a 2600sqft house this weekend. Built in 1952, needs a little work. 3 bed, 3.5 bath, detached 2 car garage on a 6900sqft lot…. $1.6m
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
35759 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:41 pm to
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They'd be swiping up land and property


You still can, you'll buy further from home but there's opportunities to buy out there.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:42 pm to
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Hanna James signed the contract with the contractor


Did she have a contract or not? If she did and the contract was to build x house for x price, is there really zero recourse for her?

Seems like the contractor broke the contract and is liable for damages…unless there are details missing from the story.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75318 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:42 pm to
Got a palace in the hills overlooking the sea…it’s worth 8, but I only paid 5 point 3.
This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 9:43 pm
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:42 pm to
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“American dream” is going to be a tough sell for an entire generation of young adults at this point, not good long term


All part of the plan.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:47 pm to
You are right. I honestly wish I had started investing in land from day 1 rather than a 401k. It would have done better. Is there any case of undestroyed land ever losing value?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72270 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 9:49 pm to
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Its true though. I make a really good living and I'm struggling to establish long term wealth for my kids. 20 years ago, a person my age in my field with my qualifications wouldn't have such concerns. They'd be swiping up land and property
Same.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37202 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 10:20 pm to
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I do wonder. Because most of cause of this democrat and socialistic ideas.


Rising housing prices are a democrat and socialist idea?

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yeah sure. Lots of younger folks demanding more government fiscal responsibility, increased personal responsibility, less dependence on government, and less deficit spending


Young folks are always stupid.

But the older generation is always supposed to be the elder statesmen, teaching and mentoring the next generation.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37202 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 10:22 pm to
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As long as we don’t have massive job losses the market is not going to crash


As long as nothing pops the bubble, we will be fine.

Something always pops the bubble.
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4547 posts
Posted on 3/28/22 at 10:36 pm to
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Put a offer on a 2600sqft house this weekend. Built in 1952, needs a little work. 3 bed, 3.5 bath, detached 2 car garage on a 6900sqft lot…. $1.6m


You mean your father in law put an offer on that for you and your name won't even be on the mortgage, right?

This post was edited on 3/28/22 at 10:37 pm
Posted by UncleLester
West of the Mississippi
Member since Aug 2008
6662 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:27 am to
Thanks for the share in the 60 Minutes episode. It was a good watch.

I do believe a bit of a “reset” happened in the two years of Covid where traditionally irresponsible people had limited options of how/where to spend their cash flow with less vacations, fewer options of new cars to buy, and less entertainment/lifestyle “bad choices” that they could make.

Combine that with low interest rates and people, that traditionally wouldn’t, now have the 5% - 10% down to buy a new house in these sun belt markets.

With no more mortgage forbearance, it will be interesting to see how many people overextended themselves if their middle management type jobs end up getting cut because of rising expenses.

Just my opinion, however, mortgage forbearance, enhanced unemployment, etc. should have ended before Memorial Day 2021 instead of incenting a big slice of the community to keep staying home/unemployed for another three months and not contributing to the economy by working and producing.

This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 1:29 am
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