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re: Has every country pretty much returned back to normal besides us?
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:18 am to Eat Your Crow
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:18 am to Eat Your Crow
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Not every country, but it seems like most of Europe has.
No countries in Europe have returned to normal, or anywhere close to that. Most are in something like we called phase two, with some in phase three.
I have a daughter in England, and she and her husband are hunkered down at home. Their 3 year old is going to day care.
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Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:20 am to OMLandshark
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giant pussies.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:20 am to SloaneRanger
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Basically, the lockdowns fricked us. Extended the pandemic and pushed the spike into June and July.
What has happened in Sweden would counter that argument. They haven't experienced a spike, but their cases and deaths have steadily increased since March. At one point, their per capita death rate was larger than ours.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:21 am to Penrod
yeah Germany just "opened" up but it's not going back to normal. they're still regulating their borders somewhat as well
Europe was able to hold things off by paying salaries for their populations. that won't go on forever (in some areas i think it runs out as early as August)
Europe was able to hold things off by paying salaries for their populations. that won't go on forever (in some areas i think it runs out as early as August)
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:21 am to thadcastle
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Has every country pretty much returned back to normal besides us?
Just wait until early Nov. We will then move on
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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Europe engaged in super costly measures to have the government borrow trillions to pay wages directly to workers,
Sounds like USA....
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:25 am to Lawyered
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Sounds like USA....
we did a much smaller version of that plan. the European model is more expensive and has major implications on unemployment, but is having more immediate, direct effects
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:28 am to Sasquatch Smash
1) Link where I said this “a week or so ago” Hint: I didn’t.
2) Your own brought up numbers agree with my statement. In case you forgot how numbers work, the difference between .71 and 2.01 isn’t a hundred fold.
3) why don’t you look deeper in your own link at the comparisons of cases/tests. It’s unreasonable to expect full bore testing of everyone over and over again with no symptoms to show for it.
Normalizing for population:
UK? 150 tests for every positive case.
Italy? 217 tests for every positive case
Germany? 207 tests for every case.
The US? 10 tests for every positive case.
And you highlighted Italy for not matching the US in testing?
And because people like to straw man pigeon hole my stance: I think the lockdowns in the US are overdone and need to stop being sensationalized. Schools in particular are at the core of conversation in spite of data confirming there isn’t a safety risk.
You just aren’t helping your case saying factually unsupported crap like we are the only ones essentially still testing.
2) Your own brought up numbers agree with my statement. In case you forgot how numbers work, the difference between .71 and 2.01 isn’t a hundred fold.
3) why don’t you look deeper in your own link at the comparisons of cases/tests. It’s unreasonable to expect full bore testing of everyone over and over again with no symptoms to show for it.
Normalizing for population:
UK? 150 tests for every positive case.
Italy? 217 tests for every positive case
Germany? 207 tests for every case.
The US? 10 tests for every positive case.
And you highlighted Italy for not matching the US in testing?
And because people like to straw man pigeon hole my stance: I think the lockdowns in the US are overdone and need to stop being sensationalized. Schools in particular are at the core of conversation in spite of data confirming there isn’t a safety risk.
You just aren’t helping your case saying factually unsupported crap like we are the only ones essentially still testing.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:29 am to thadcastle
The demodummies will not let us return to normal until November
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:34 am to The Spleen
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What has happened in Sweden would counter that argument. They haven't experienced a spike, but their cases and deaths have steadily increased since March. At one point, their per capita death rate was larger than ours.
Welcome to two months ago. Sweden's deaths have fallen off a cliff and are now very low. They are done with this shite. They sure as hell aren't wringing their hands about whether to have school or sporting events this Fall.
I commend the Swedes for getting this right in the face of all the pressure to go along with the failed lockdown strategy. The guy leading their strategy must have a huge set of balls to have made the call he did.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:45 am to Volvagia
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Link where I said this “a week or so ago” Hint: I didn’t.
You're probably right. I may be thinking of buckeye_vol.
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Your own brought up numbers agree with my statement. In case you forgot how numbers work, the difference between .71 and 2.01 isn’t a hundred fold.
You're right. That's my bad. I was thinking 100%, not 100 times.
Edit to add: I downvoted my previous post. Ha.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:45 am to thadcastle
England just opened up pubs for the first time last week...
London is still shut down in a Phase 1
France and Germany are basically in phase 3
South Korea is reverting back.
Japan is keeping its course
The rest of the Asian countries have hardly any data
Most European countries outside the ones I mentioned are still in a phase 2/3 but are opening schools.
London is still shut down in a Phase 1
France and Germany are basically in phase 3
South Korea is reverting back.
Japan is keeping its course
The rest of the Asian countries have hardly any data
Most European countries outside the ones I mentioned are still in a phase 2/3 but are opening schools.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:50 am to thadcastle
I watched a Formula One race this past Sunday and every swinging dick in the pits was wearing a mask.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:59 am to thadcastle
When an entire country is the size of one of our mid-level states, the virus is gonna run it's course much faster there
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:03 am to SloaneRanger
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Sweden's deaths have fallen off a cliff
Not entirely. They've experienced several peaks and valleys over the last couple of months. They have been trending down over the last month though. But the confirmed deaths haven't fallen off a cliff.
Sweden did do a lot of things right, and many countries can learn from them. I don't think their entire approach is the model for effectively handling it though like was argued here repeatedly 2 months ago.
I think it should also be pointed out that they didn't politicize it, and their citizens bought into what the government told them and advised them to do. So what they did would have never worked here.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 10:23 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Per capita, we aren't testing more than most other developed countries.
The US is 23rd in tests per million people. Out of the 22 countries ahead, only 3 have populations greater than 10M people.
Out of all the most heavily impacted countries, the US is 5th with Qatar and the UAE being 2 of the countries ahead. Tiny countries have a much easier time testing a large % of their population. That’s why most of the countries at the top in testing since March have been tiny nations.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:04 am to thadcastle
Not even close. I'm in a North African country for the past 3 months and borders are still closed.
Will be end of August before I can get home.
Will be end of August before I can get home.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:07 am to thadcastle
I have a close friend that lives in Barcelona. They actually went into real quarantine, like didn't leave their homes for 2-3 months. Then they could only go for short walks.
Americans just aren't going to do that. different culture.
Americans just aren't going to do that. different culture.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 11:17 am to The Spleen
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No. Brazil is in worse shape than we are.
But that's about it.
Belgium, France, United Kingdom, Spain, Italy, and Sweden all have significantly more deaths per capita than the U.S. at this point. France has a higher death rate as well.
None of these countries have to deal with the challenge of 50 different sections of their own country having the autonomy to make their own decisions regarding the virus either. All in all, we're not doing worse than everyone but Brazil. But you knew that before you made your post.
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:20 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 2:07 pm to ML Crisis
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Surely, when you say this, you know as well as everyone else that you can't compare our "infection" rates to those of other countries that aren't testing as extensively as we are.
So what point are YOU trying to prove?
Genuine question. I hadn't looked at the test rates. Sorry I rustled your jimmies. So now I'm looking at the test rates per million:
LINK
9. Iceland
12. Denmark
13. UK
17. Russia
20. Israel
22. USA
23. Portugal
24. Spain
25. Australia
30. Ireland
32. Italy
Italy is about 100k per million tested, where as the USA is 134k per million tested.
I still don't get what the point exactly is.
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