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re: Has a photo of the tyrant that arrested the legally blind man in FL been posted?
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:12 pm to Sao
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:12 pm to Sao
I can't believe people are siding with this guy.
'I do have an ID but you don't need it,' he said.
Behavior like that is going to lead me to believe the guy potentially has a warrant. And what if he was hiding something at that point and was a violent offender with a warrant. It's sketchy.
I don't understand why he had to have an attitude, because she asked him what was in his back packet. He could have explained his situation without sounding hostile and then further complicating things by refusing to identify himself. He's likely on his way, but he immediately had an attitude and called her a tyrant over a question.
By all means though side with him. Sheesh. This did not even have go this way. I bet if he had explained to her what it was without calling her a tyrant she probably doesn't even ask him to identify himself and he's on his way.
'I do have an ID but you don't need it,' he said.
Behavior like that is going to lead me to believe the guy potentially has a warrant. And what if he was hiding something at that point and was a violent offender with a warrant. It's sketchy.
I don't understand why he had to have an attitude, because she asked him what was in his back packet. He could have explained his situation without sounding hostile and then further complicating things by refusing to identify himself. He's likely on his way, but he immediately had an attitude and called her a tyrant over a question.
By all means though side with him. Sheesh. This did not even have go this way. I bet if he had explained to her what it was without calling her a tyrant she probably doesn't even ask him to identify himself and he's on his way.
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Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:14 pm to beauchristopher
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Eh, I don't like that he refused to identify himself. That attitude doesn't help the situation.
I used to think this way before I spent time in Russia going through random highway stops checking for “papers.”
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:16 pm to stout
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This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:16 pm to stout
I take ole one eye to her optometrist.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:17 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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The police report says he jwalked. That’s their reasonable suspicion.
Reasonable suspicion of what exactly? Do most people who jaywalk go on to murder someone immediately after?
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:25 pm to SPEEDY
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SPEEDY
Love to see OT detective work.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:26 pm to Powerman
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Reasonable suspicion of what exactly? Do most people who jaywalk go on to murder someone immediately after?
It’s not even reasonable suspicion at that point, it’s a violation so they can stop him and ask him for ID.
We’ve been over this a million times and I’ve posted the laws and links to examples, you just refuse to believe it because you don’t like it. I don’t like it either but at least I am accepting that it’s reality.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:33 pm to brass2mouth
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I don’t know what Floridas laws are concerning jaywalking but if it’s on the books then he would be required to identify himself,
He was not stopped for jaywalking. She clearly said she thought his white, folding cane was a weapon. When he showed her it was not, she should have hauled arse, while waving bye-bye. She chose to escalate, then the supervisor chose to escalate even more. It should be painful to be stupid, and it's going to hurt this time.
ETA: jaywalking was not mentioned, or made up, until the FOIA requests came in for the bodycam videos. They have to have reasonable, articulable suspicion to demand an ID. They can ask, but not demand.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:51 pm to Powerman
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Even if he was jaywalking they weren't even addressing that and that's not an arrestable offense. If this guy files a civil suit he's winning it.
Don’t have to. That was the initial reason for coming into contact with him but she perceived a threat (albeit inaccurate)
And while that may not be arrestable it requires him to identify himself. Failure to do so IS the arrestable offense.
ETA I’m going off the article that stated he walked under a Dont walk sign in the crosswalk.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:55 pm to beauchristopher
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I can't believe people are siding with this guy. 'I do have an ID but you don't need it,' he said. Behavior like that is going to lead me to believe the guy potentially has a warrant. And what if he was hiding something at that point and was a violent offender with a warrant. It's sketchy. I don't understand why he had to have an attitude, because she asked him what was in his back packet. He could have explained his situation without sounding hostile and then further complicating things by refusing to identify himself. He's likely on his way, but he immediately had an attitude and called her a tyrant over a question. By all means though side with him. Sheesh. This did not even have go this way. I bet if he had explained to her what it was without calling her a tyrant she probably doesn't even ask him to identify himself and he's on his way.
I agree, cops could have kept on moving and It sure wouldn’t have been a thing.
Now homeboy is gonna get paid.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 1:55 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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t’s not even reasonable suspicion at that point, it’s a violation so they can stop him and ask him for ID.
She did not stop him for jaywalking. You keep saying that is why she stopped him. She clearly states he was a person of interest because it looks like he's carrying a weapon. Only after everything went down they decide to tack on the jaywalking.
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WaWaWeeWa
You have been whiteknighting for this bitch for two days now. She's not going to frick you.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:03 pm to beauchristopher
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I can't believe people are siding with this guy.
'I do have an ID but you don't need it,' he said.
When they wear that badge, they are the government making those demands. Read the fricking bill of rights for frick sakes. There is an entire one dedicated to this exact situation. I used to think like you, and for a long time… but I was ignorant about my rights under the constitution.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:28 pm to LSUPERMAN
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She did not stop him for jaywalking. You keep saying that is why she stopped him. She clearly states he was a person of interest because it looks like he's carrying a weapon. Only after everything went down they decide to tack on the jaywalking
I don’t give a frick what happens to this cop. I’m just trying to tell you that you don’t understand the law. Just because she said she thought his cane was a gun doesn’t mean that’s her only reasonable suspicion.
She just has to be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion later on, NOT IMMEDIATELY TO HIM.
brass2mouth understands.
You don’t like it and neither do I but it’s the law.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:30 pm to Clockwatcher68
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Read the fricking bill of rights for frick sakes. There is an entire one dedicated to this exact situation. I used to think like you, and for a long time… but I was ignorant about my rights under the constitution.
You are a moron and going to get arrested just like this dude if you live in a “stop and identify” state.
I’m all for changing the law if we can.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:33 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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She just has to be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion later on, NOT IMMEDIATELY TO HIM.
So they can arrest you and put you in jail and it's ok because she amended her paperwork to include jaywalking? And I am so glad brass2mouth understands like anyone gives a flying frick.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:35 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I’m all for changing the law if we can.
I think she showed no respect to an old and that probably didn't sit well. Can we agree she should have handled it better?
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:38 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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She just has to be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion later on, NOT IMMEDIATELY TO HIM.
maybe this would matter if she didnt articulate her suspicion which had already been dispelled. they dont have to, but they did.
but go ahead and pretend like them adding some nonsense to buff the report is legit and not an abuse of their position.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:41 pm to brass2mouth
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That was the initial reason for coming into contact with him
Was it? It doesn't appear so from the video. At least it wasn't addressed as part of their interaction.
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:42 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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She just has to be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion later on, NOT IMMEDIATELY TO HIM.
i.e. make something up that had nothing to do with the interaction
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:48 pm to DMagic
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Ch ch ch chip and dale
frickin hilarious! lol
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