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re: “Grown men shouldn’t play video games”
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:28 am to diddlydawg7
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:28 am to diddlydawg7
There’s several aspects of gaming which are why it has been historically maligned:
1. Marketing as a children’s toy: while gaming was actually an activity by adults in Japan, marketing in the US in the 80’s made video games the hot Christmas toys for children. As a result of this advertising, gaming in the US is associated as a children’s pastime like playing with dolls rather than an adult activity.
2. Social isolation. Early games were mostly single player or potentially multiplayer, but only if your teammate/competitor was physically in the same room. This aspect of gaming started to change with the internet and growth of MMORPGs in the early 2000’s. Today, gaming is a VERY social activity with games connecting friend groups all over the world to play together no matter the distance. They can all meet up in a coop campaign of Baldur’s Gate, kill bugs in Helldivers, or play in big free-for-all gun battles in Fortnight, Call of Duty, or any number of fps titles. These games have spawned entire communities of fans. So, in my opinion, gaming is no longer a solitary experience for most players, and is actually a very social activity.
3. Lack of physical activity. Gaming was seen as a sedentary hobby as a contrast to more physical hobbies like organized sports or hiking. The stereotype of the “fat loser” gamer is prevalent as many use gaming as an indoor activity to avoid harsh outdoor weather. While some games have become more physically interactive thanks to motion control and 3D augmented reality, gaming still is, largely a sedentary activity. Granted, that is no different from any number of “respectable” adult male hobbies like building models, fishing, movies, or watching live sports.
4. It produces nothing. I see this criticism directed towards gamers more so by adult women than by other adult men. Men are often valued in society by what they produce. Men are often not viewed with any intrinsic value of their own, but rather must create value to justify their existence and access to society. Gaming is something people do purely for fun. There is no physical good created. Gardening, woodworking, cooking, restoring old cars, building models, art, fishing, hunting, etc are all activities that “make” things. These hobbies result in the creation of a valuable decoration, a useful tool/resource, generate income, or make consumable food. Unless one is a professional twitch streamer, gaming is a hobby they pay for, and are not paid for. Thus, gaming is unproductive. Women often have contempt for any male activity which does not produce value for them or give them attention. A woman can still get attention during a sporting event or even attend with her husband. A woman can get attention during a tv show or movie. However, games usually require the player’s mostly undivided attention, meaning any time spent gaming is time spent NOT making her money, NOT making anything useful or valuable to her, and NOT giving her any attention. Now, that would change if she chose to participate in the game, but barring that, gaming is a pure leisure activity. Our society HATES men who exist without making things for others. Thus, gaming is hated on.
In my opinion, gaming has its place. Men need pure leisure activities to unwind from the stresses of careers. Gaming is a great hobby in moderation that many allow to consume their entire lives. Anyone who allows any one hobby to monopolize their life will become worse off for it economically, physically, socially, and/or mentally. I believe that gaming can have a similar negative social influence akin to anime where a little gaming opens up social avenues, but the more one indulges in it, the less acceptable they are to the rest of society. Thus, the more accepted by gamers, the less accepted by normies. One must seek balance in all things.
1. Marketing as a children’s toy: while gaming was actually an activity by adults in Japan, marketing in the US in the 80’s made video games the hot Christmas toys for children. As a result of this advertising, gaming in the US is associated as a children’s pastime like playing with dolls rather than an adult activity.
2. Social isolation. Early games were mostly single player or potentially multiplayer, but only if your teammate/competitor was physically in the same room. This aspect of gaming started to change with the internet and growth of MMORPGs in the early 2000’s. Today, gaming is a VERY social activity with games connecting friend groups all over the world to play together no matter the distance. They can all meet up in a coop campaign of Baldur’s Gate, kill bugs in Helldivers, or play in big free-for-all gun battles in Fortnight, Call of Duty, or any number of fps titles. These games have spawned entire communities of fans. So, in my opinion, gaming is no longer a solitary experience for most players, and is actually a very social activity.
3. Lack of physical activity. Gaming was seen as a sedentary hobby as a contrast to more physical hobbies like organized sports or hiking. The stereotype of the “fat loser” gamer is prevalent as many use gaming as an indoor activity to avoid harsh outdoor weather. While some games have become more physically interactive thanks to motion control and 3D augmented reality, gaming still is, largely a sedentary activity. Granted, that is no different from any number of “respectable” adult male hobbies like building models, fishing, movies, or watching live sports.
4. It produces nothing. I see this criticism directed towards gamers more so by adult women than by other adult men. Men are often valued in society by what they produce. Men are often not viewed with any intrinsic value of their own, but rather must create value to justify their existence and access to society. Gaming is something people do purely for fun. There is no physical good created. Gardening, woodworking, cooking, restoring old cars, building models, art, fishing, hunting, etc are all activities that “make” things. These hobbies result in the creation of a valuable decoration, a useful tool/resource, generate income, or make consumable food. Unless one is a professional twitch streamer, gaming is a hobby they pay for, and are not paid for. Thus, gaming is unproductive. Women often have contempt for any male activity which does not produce value for them or give them attention. A woman can still get attention during a sporting event or even attend with her husband. A woman can get attention during a tv show or movie. However, games usually require the player’s mostly undivided attention, meaning any time spent gaming is time spent NOT making her money, NOT making anything useful or valuable to her, and NOT giving her any attention. Now, that would change if she chose to participate in the game, but barring that, gaming is a pure leisure activity. Our society HATES men who exist without making things for others. Thus, gaming is hated on.
In my opinion, gaming has its place. Men need pure leisure activities to unwind from the stresses of careers. Gaming is a great hobby in moderation that many allow to consume their entire lives. Anyone who allows any one hobby to monopolize their life will become worse off for it economically, physically, socially, and/or mentally. I believe that gaming can have a similar negative social influence akin to anime where a little gaming opens up social avenues, but the more one indulges in it, the less acceptable they are to the rest of society. Thus, the more accepted by gamers, the less accepted by normies. One must seek balance in all things.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:29 am to diddlydawg7
I'm 49 and I play WOWS Legends just about everyday. Frick em
Keeps my mind off of work which is a relief
Keeps my mind off of work which is a relief
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 10:31 am
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:34 am to Higgysmalls
I'm 55 and play various games. It's cheaper than bars, hookers, drugs and gambling with a far less chance of getting an STD (all of which makes my wife happy).
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:39 am to Bard
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It's cheaper than bars, hookers, drugs and gambling with a far less chance of getting an STD (all of which makes my wife happy).
In my opinion, this is one of the biggest factors for why I game to the extent I do and why so many millennials and zoomers do. The past 20+ years have seen a massive erosion in young adult standards of living. People are working longer hours for less money relative to inflation than at any point since the Great Depression. As a result, people under 35 have less disposable income than ever. On a per/hour basis, gaming is one of the cheapest hobbies on the planet. I can easily rack up a bar tab in one night higher than I spend on one AAA RPG which I happily sink 60+ hours into playing for several months.
Probably the most I have ever spent in a year on games was probably $50/month. How much is one LSU football game, one concert, one restaurant meal, hell one bar tab?
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 11:20 am
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:47 am to diddlydawg7
Its pretty simple....The moment I stop enjoying playing video games is the moment I will stop playing them. It doesnt matter if I'm booting up Spy Hunter on my retro emulator or something brand new..... I still get the same feeling of enjoyment I had when I was 5 playing an Atari 2600 at my cousin's house in 1983.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:52 am to Higgysmalls
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I'm 49 and I play WOWS Legends just about everyday.
I’ve noticed a much older demographic playing WOWS and I play on PC.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:53 am to diddlydawg7
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Red Dead Redemption is a super detailed game where you can do just about anything
I have PS3 that the kids don't play anymore. I was thinking of getting into a game like this. The system still works and connects to our network. Should I get it? what's the best way to buy the game? disc or download?
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:55 am to mikelbr
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Should I get it? what's the best way to buy the game? disc or download?
Pretty sure you could find a copy of it for like $5 or less at a local GameStop or GameXchange
Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:55 am to diddlydawg7
mind your own business
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:00 am to Horsemeat
A friend of the family dated a girl that did puzzles and framed them. That’s the dumbest shite I have ever heard of, we laughed and laughed.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:03 am to diddlydawg7
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Grown men shouldn’t play video games
Meh.. I'm 44 and grew up around video games and will play from time to time... It's just a form of escapism like play golf, reading books, woodworking , fishing, etc... It's and outlet to get away from the day to day.. So who cares what people think...
quote:
I’m 22
shite, you ain't a grown man yet.. You're still a kid and have nothing to worry about..
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:08 am to diddlydawg7
As long as they don't shirk their responsibilities, what does it matter?
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:10 am to Bard
I play in streaks. I'll play 20-30 minutes every day for a month and then not touch it for 6 months. I'm probably different than most in that I like the monotony of the same thing over and over again.
It's just a way to turn my mind off for a half hour while still engaging a little bit and not being completely passive (vs. watching TV or browsing the internet). I've been playing a half hour of NCAA every night for the last week, before that I probably hadn't played anything in several months.
It's just a way to turn my mind off for a half hour while still engaging a little bit and not being completely passive (vs. watching TV or browsing the internet). I've been playing a half hour of NCAA every night for the last week, before that I probably hadn't played anything in several months.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:16 am to diddlydawg7
I’m the guy that believes highly in being present, and eating shrooms. I’ll also kick everyone’s arse in Madden! I’m 51, and I play 2-3 games a week (10 minute quarters). Not single person reading my post or posting in this thread has a right to judge :lol If you’re reading a thread about gamers, don’t talk to me about what is a waste of time in life 
Posted on 7/25/24 at 6:41 pm to SG_Geaux
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What you do with your leisure time?
I don't have much but I like to read or listen to the occasional podcast. I have so many projects going that I can't justify much leisure. Life is short, people that play video games for hours a day are frittering away their brief time on earth.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 8:01 pm to diddlydawg7
What are you contributing to society?
And that’s why adults don’t play video games.
Adults are strapped for time with family, job, board meetings, and church commitments. Maybe a little vacation. We help to build a good life for others, and are rewarded by the nature of the work.
You’ll get there. I hope.
And that’s why adults don’t play video games.
Adults are strapped for time with family, job, board meetings, and church commitments. Maybe a little vacation. We help to build a good life for others, and are rewarded by the nature of the work.
You’ll get there. I hope.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 8:51 pm to kingbob
quote:and then wonders why he can’t get ahead LOL. Take that time that you are wasting (yes) and start a business
I happily sink 60+ hours into playing for several months
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:02 am to diddlydawg7
I previously thought no.. since opened up Atleast a little to it ever since I started playing animal crossing with my little girl. She loves building stuff together and I’m not about to take that smile off her face. I mean that’s different than playing 4 hours of call of duty straight
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:40 am to diddlydawg7
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I think the reason older people don’t think adults should play video games is because they didn’t grow up and experience the highly immersive and impressive form of entertainment that they’ve become
Is this really true though? People in their 40s/Gen X didn't grow up with Pac-Man, Arcades and Pong on the Atari. They grew up with advanced Nintendo games, Playstation and computer games. Maybe not as advanced as what we have today but still pretty interactive and high tech compared to the 70s and 80s.
It's really more of a maturity issue. Some people just never really "grow up" and we are seeing more and more of these. It's not just reflected in video game usage but other aspects of life as well.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:58 am to diddlydawg7
Video games, like all other entertainment, are fine in moderation, and possibly life altering levels of bad with excess.
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