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Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:14 pm to Breesus
If I was given the reigns to a struggling mid/large size city with deteriorating urban areas, I think one of my main goals would be to make the city gay friendly 
Those people go into the worst hoods without fear and gentrify like bosses. They on average both make AND spend more money than other groups as well.
Those people go into the worst hoods without fear and gentrify like bosses. They on average both make AND spend more money than other groups as well.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:14 pm to Breesus
quote:So they do have money then?
He's right. Most of them don't have money.
They do, however, have family wealth and trust funds.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:15 pm to Breesus
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In your opinion, what gives a group of people "more of a right" to be in a neighborhood than another group outside of property ownership?
This isn't a one-sided argument. I don't want Section 8 housing shoved into nice neighborhoods. Gentrification is the same thing. Instead of the government doing it directly, it is indirectly done because the wealthy do it, and we all know that the wealthy run the government, particularly in Republican areas.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:15 pm to yoga girl
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ETA: When have you seen gentrification of a white neighborhood? Never.
False. Just in Baton Rouge, Capital Heights and the garden district were always historically white, but as the neighborhood aged out, many of the homes fell into disrepair. Because old rundown houses in need of updating are cheaper than up to date homes combined with the neighborhoods' convenient location made these perfect candidates for gentrification.
15 years ago, it was all old folks. 10 years ago, artists and hipsters moved in and updated the homes. Now, it's lots of young professionals and families, and its one of the most sought after neighborhoods in town.
Neighborhoods go in cycles. They start with new construction and young families. Then, those families age and kids move out. Then, those elderly couples begin to die off or move into nursing homes as the houses fall into disrepair and gays and artists seeking cheap rent and home flips move in. Following the gays and artists are the musicians and young professionals. The young professionals get married and have kids and the cycle repeats.
Gentrification is all about finding neighborhoods in the elderly portion of their life cycle that are conveniently located relative to traffic patterns and recycling them.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:15 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
Always a good thing
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:16 pm to yoga girl
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quote: Gentrification was a big topic in one of my sociology classes. I'm well versed on the topic.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:16 pm to yoga girl
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I don't want Section 8 housing shoved into nice neighborhoods. Gentrification is the same thing.
And everyone would have their own water fountain too!
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:18 pm to lsupride87
Bywater =/= nice houses. But if you like 75 year old houses with some lipstick renovations that smell like patchouli oil, you'll be right at home.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:18 pm to yoga girl
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This isn't a one-sided argument. I don't want Section 8 housing shoved into nice neighborhoods. Gentrification is the same thing. Instead of the government
You think privately wealthy people buying land in shitty neighborhoods then improving almost every single aspect of life in those neighborhoods, then revitalizing the neighborhood and enriching the city is the same as shoving section 8 housing into nice neighborhoods?
Thats literally the opposite.
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Gentrification is the same thing. Instead of the government doing it directly, it is indirectly done because the wealthy do it, and we all know that the wealthy run the government, particularly in Republican areas.
Oh. OK. You think the Democrats aren't run by the wealthy?
Wake up Peter Pan. Count Chocula. You're living in a dipshit dream world.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:18 pm to lsupride87
The hipsters in Jackson are not wealthy. They are broke, some homeless.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:18 pm to yoga girl
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This isn't a one-sided argument. I don't want Section 8 housing shoved into nice neighborhoods. Gentrification is the same thing. Instead of the government doing it directly, it is indirectly done because the wealthy do it, and we all know that the wealthy run the government, particularly in Republican areas.
The wealthy don't gentrify, at least not initially. The first wave is always poor whites and gays who can't afford anything else. Rather than just accepting their shitty surroundings, these groups try to renovate their living areas to make them cool. They then sell at a profit to the next wave who won't jump in until the neighborhood is already well on the path to gentrification. By the time the big money moves in, the gays, artists, and real hipsters have already been priced out and moved on to the next neighborhood.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:18 pm to GoIrish02
are you trying to compete with yoga girl for the dumbest poster in this thread?
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:19 pm to kingbob
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Neighborhoods go in cycles. They start with new construction and young families. Then, those families age and kids move out. Then, those elderly couples begin to die off or move into nursing homes as the houses fall into disrepair and gays and artists seeking cheap rent and home flips move in. Following the gays and artists are the musicians and young professionals. The young professionals get married and have kids and the cycle repeats.
Stop. No. I live in University Park, this has never happened. This won't happen in Highland Park. It does happen in minority areas.
The cycle you describe would probably be acceptable to society.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:19 pm to yoga girl
An I would still like an answer to my question.
Do you know the difference between Bernie Sanders Jelly and Bernie Sanders Jam?
Do you know the difference between Bernie Sanders Jelly and Bernie Sanders Jam?
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:19 pm to kingbob
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The wealthy don't gentrify, at least not initially. The first wave is always poor whites and gays who can't afford anything else. Rather than just accepting their shitty surroundings, these groups try to renovate their living areas to make them cool. They then sell at a profit to the next wave who won't jump in until the neighborhood is already well on the path to gentrification. By the time the big money moves in, the gays, artists, and real hipsters have already been priced out and moved on to the next neighborhood.
all of this
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:20 pm to kingbob
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gays who can't afford anything else
Gays can afford a lot. They choose to be different and gentrify new areas.
Its like their thing.
And god bless em for it.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:20 pm to yoga girl
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Stop. No. I live in University Park, this has never happened. This won't happen in Highland Park. It does happen in minority areas.
The cycle you describe would probably be acceptable to society.
You know where else it would never happen?
Harlem.
It started as rich white people and it will stay that way.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:21 pm to yoga girl
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This won't happen in Highland Park.
yeah lets use one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country to prove your point
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:21 pm to yoga girl
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Instead of the government doing it directly, it is indirectly done because the wealthy do it, and we all know that the wealthy run the government, particularly in Republican areas.
Yes, gentrification is mainly happening in conservative hotbeds such as Portland, DC, Minneapolis, Seattle, Atlanta, Virginia Beach, Denver, Austin, Sacramento, NYC and on and on.
That list is in order of the cities with the highest % of gentrification since 2000.
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