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re: Gentrification, good or bad... Thoughts?

Posted on 4/2/16 at 11:37 am to
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/2/16 at 11:37 am to
So white people were bad for leaving. Now they are bad for coming back.

Got it
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
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Posted on 4/2/16 at 11:51 am to
I said that?
Posted by AjaxFury
In & out of The Matrix
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Posted on 4/2/16 at 11:54 am to
Posted by MorgusTheMagnificent
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
1965 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 12:59 pm to
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But we're specifically talking about America. Why bring up other countries?


i bring up other countries because it's relative to the discussion. I'm sorry but poor people don't own cars, cell phones, weigh 300lbs, go to saints games, etc..

There is a big difference between being broke and being impoverished


Posted by MorgusTheMagnificent
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
1965 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 1:03 pm to
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they likely can't afford the cost of moving somewhere else.


Doesn't the government have affordable housing programs in place ala public and section 8 housing
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/2/16 at 1:09 pm to
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That is a good question, but you can't deny that this an issue for many of these people.

well gentrification is literally a reinvestment in poor areas where the end result is a positive. the issue is that positive means property values go up and new (often more expensive) services are available. the "negative" is just the positive spun into a negative (high prices)

i have a saying that applies here (when we're discussing government policy)

we should create policies that aid those who are doing things the right way (instead of creating policies that aid those who aren't)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 4/2/16 at 1:10 pm to
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they likely can't afford the cost of moving somewhere else.

when states like Georgia and Arizona enacted very strict policing policies towards immigrants, the poorest population of the US were able to uproot their lives and move elsewhere. if illegal immigrants with large families and no money can afford to do it, then these people CAN afford it
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 1:16 pm to
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In Dallas, most gentrification has been of abandoned industrial areas, which is the best kind of gentrification because it does not involve displacing original residents.



Are you serious Clark? East Dallas is going through major gentrification and forcing out communities as quickly as possible. Anything within a 10 minute drive of Highland Park is being completely gentrified.
Posted by MorgusTheMagnificent
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
1965 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 1:21 pm to
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Do you believe people should be able to achieve a 4.0 in school? Or should the max be a 3.5 and the extra 0.5 be added to the lowest failing students? Further, those lower failing students also get and extra 0.1 from every student who has over a 2.5? Also, every honors class and AP program has a mandatory set of 5 seats for those with the lowest test scores. It doesn't matter how many qualified applicants there are for each class, 5 seats have to go to the lowest graded students. Finally, any student who maintains a 3.5 after the 0.5 cut must also give an extra 0.2. Sound like a good education system to you? This post was edited on 4/1 at 5:00 pm


Great point, allow me to expand.. A lot of the deplorable schools in inner city's are famous for passing students thru without any real education, some of these students graduate with honors and can even read at a 5th grade level.

Later in life when the 'honor' student can't get a good job because he/she is essentially retarded, racism is seen as the reason.. Afterall, "i graduated high school with honors, it must be the color of my skin". The sad thing is, most of these people don't even know the truth, they have been used and lied to their whole life.

So while they are being failed from the moment they are born by every adult in their life, in the end, it is always The Man's fault
Posted by MorgusTheMagnificent
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
1965 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 1:38 pm to
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What hoodish areas in NOLA are candidates to gentrify?


Lakeview is being gentrified of the geriatrics.. Has been since Katrina. Does that count?

I think in mid-city along Tulane avenue between Carrollton and Gálvez is fixing to explode... Wish I had a ton of cash to grab a bunch of shithole houses in that area and wait.
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 2:13 pm to
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I don't see things like this in terms of good and bad. It's simply a social/economic trend. My generation wanted to be out in the suburbs where there was more house and land for the money. The generation of my children seem to prefer living in the city where the action is. Sure the displaced people in the city get priced out of their neighborhoods but considering the state of most inner cities, I don't see this as a bad thing.


Yup. It's not good or bad. It just IS. It's a generational preference. A couple of generations in a row preferred the suburbs and pushed them further and further out, hollowing out the cities. The subsequent generation preferred the city and rejected the suburbs, ejecting the people who had been renting for cheap in the dilapidated city out to the far suburbs.
Posted by Easy
Los Angeles
Member since Dec 2008
5837 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 2:28 pm to
I'd say that significant numbers of people in all recent generations preferred city living. What's changed is that people are having kids later or not at all. They can stay in cities longer because education/child welfare aren't concerns. People living in cities until their mid-30's and later versus mid-to late 20's is very significant.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89829 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 2:51 pm to
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They are, or certainly have a greater right to be their than the white interlopers.



Why? I want to hear your rationale, Heather.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 2:53 pm to
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I'd say that significant numbers of people in all recent generations preferred city living. What's changed is that people are having kids later or not at all. They can stay in cities longer because education/child welfare aren't concerns. People living in cities until their mid-30's and later versus mid-to late 20's is very significant


Good point
Posted by Hetfield
Dallas
Member since Jun 2013
10036 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 3:05 pm to
I had already thought about posting how gay gentrification may be the exception, because gay gentrified areas are racially and economically diverse.

This is certainly the case in Dallas.
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Yet again you are wrong, Heather. I am an evil straight white male that lives in Oak Lawn(THE gay Dallas neighborhood) & I am surrounded by the evil gentrifying whites. Hardy any of your so called "discriminated against minorities" in sight of this area. Go to Cedar Springs Road after dark & you will see diversification at its best at all the bars but not actually living in Oak Lawn any more. Good attempt at your SJW talk.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 4/2/16 at 4:49 pm to
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again you are wrong, Heather. I am an evil straight white male that lives in Oak Lawn(THE gay Dallas neighborhood) & I am surrounded by the evil gentrifying whites. Hardy any of your so called "discriminated against minorities" in sight of this area. Go to Cedar Springs Road after dark & you will see diversification at its best at all the bars but not actually living in Oak Lawn any more. Good attempt at your SJW talk.


Yeah, that was simply nonsense for anyone who lives in Dallas. Really anything within a 10 minute drive of Highland Park is being highly gentrified, and there happen to be a shitload of ghettos in that area, particularly across 75. Dallas is one of the most rapidly gentrifying cities in America, maybe the biggest. It's certainly a much larger offender of this than Heather is telling us.
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 4:54 pm
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