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re: Ford to Phase Out Gas Cars in Europe by 2030
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:06 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:06 pm to tiggerthetooth
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This doesn't prove me wrong.
Execep it does. The availability of used cars today is a function of new car purchases years ago. The reason the bulk or cheap used vehicles are gas powered is because EV adoption went from near 0 to where we are today inside of a decade. EV’s on the new car market now aren’t all high end Tesla’s anymore. We now have a Model 3 and several other viable, affordable EV’s from multiple manufacturers. There will be more mainstream models introduced in the coming years too. They will also eventually hit the used car market.
I’ve heard a lot of bad arguments against EV’s but this one might be the most foolish. You are comparing the price of a new EV to a used gas car to claim that EV’s are too expensive.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 12:08 pm
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:09 pm to dewster
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You are comparing the price of a new EV to a used gas car to claim that EV’s are too expensive.
And the reason the EV's are so expensive on the secondary market is because the demand for them is so high.
It's what people want.
Every manufacturer is moving to EVs and away from ICE for the same reason they are building crossovers and doing away with manual transmissions, market demands.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:11 pm to dewster
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The writing is on the wall for gas vehicles. If you want to stick with gas, you better pick up a very reliable model in about 10 years and hope that it lasts and that fuel supplies remain widely available as people switch to EV's
Challenge accepted. I'm just gonna run off french fry grease. We will never stop eating fast food. Plenty free fuel available
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:11 pm to fightin tigers
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Every manufacturer is moving to EVs and away from ICE for the same reason they are building crossovers and doing away with manual transmissions, market demands.
Bingo.
And this Green New Deal shite isn't necessary. The market wants EV's for a variety of reasons (status, performance, cleanliness, cheaper operation, etc.). The market is already doing it. Government can stay out of it.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
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it'll be a long time until enough high earners have bought an EV and put them on the used market for sale
You think the people that buy $70,000 pickup trucks are high earners?
Because the Tesla Model S is also drawing a lot of fake rich people that are over leveraged to make that purchase. The newer and cheaper Tesla Model 3 is a completely mainstream model too. It's not even expensive.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:22 pm to fightin tigers
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30 minutes for 150-225 miles of range in a Model 3
Depending on model options.
OMG that's completely unworkable. Nevermind that most of us rarely drive over 100 miles a day. Or that the Model 3 has found hundreds of thousands of buyers before the darn thing was even available.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:26 pm to dewster
They can phase out cars but the reality of it is there aren’t too many electric planes, trains, planes, freight trucks that are electric and won’t be any time soon. The need to gas, diesel, and jet fuel as far as transportation for both people and products isn’t going anywhere any time soon. Not to mention fossil fuels from refineries and Petrochemical plants go into just about EVERYTHING most people don’t realize. The amount of fossil fuels going into windmills and electric car manufacturing is astronomical.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:29 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Most of the car industry’s well-known brands have dramatically increased investment into electric vehicles as the broader automotive industry begins in earnest to phase out traditional engines and shift almost entirely to electric vehicles and hybrids over the next decade.
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Dang, gonna have to burn even more coal now.
Nuclear generation in Europe.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:31 pm to fightin tigers
No, and they don’t own gas stations either.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:33 pm to member12
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Louisiana needs to green light more power plants. Like now.
Takes 10 years for some of those things to come online.
You can do small decentralized peaker plants much quicker than that. That may be the stop gap.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:36 pm to fightin tigers
Not to mention that life-cycle maintenance cost of EVs is lower. Fewer moving parts and no combustion system to break down.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:38 pm to dewster
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Phase Out Gas Cars
So do you think we just snap our heels and salute and go to all electric? Is it a mistake to purchase a gasoline powered car in 2021?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:45 pm to shel311
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BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY $10K TO CHANGE THE BATTERY EVERY 5 YEARS!!!
That is about the same cost as a 15,000 mile service on a Ferrari. At least the Ferrari sounds cool when it is running.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:58 pm to fightin tigers
An affordable electric vehicle would be an ideal option for multi car families.
You really only need one vehicle for roadtrips per family, so if that is a concern keep one gas vehicle. On the rare occasion you need two traveling further than you can on a charge, you can rent a gas vehicle. If a demand is there for roadtrip rentals someone will meet it.
Majority EVs is on it's way no matter what. I'd imagine it will be more like 20-30 years, but it's gonna happen.
You really only need one vehicle for roadtrips per family, so if that is a concern keep one gas vehicle. On the rare occasion you need two traveling further than you can on a charge, you can rent a gas vehicle. If a demand is there for roadtrip rentals someone will meet it.
Majority EVs is on it's way no matter what. I'd imagine it will be more like 20-30 years, but it's gonna happen.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 12:59 pm to dewster
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We didn't just sit around when people traded in their horses for automobiles. Pipelines were built. Refineries were built. Fuel stations were built.
No but do you realize how long it takes to build a refinery today vs in the 20s? Now add in a new technology being added into the system. Look at the keystone pipeline as an example. The pipeline was commissioned in 2010, and still hasn't been fully completed 11 years later.
Our electrical infrastructure is 50 years behind where it needs to be, and that is without moving all gas powered vehicles to the electrical grid.
Hell think of older homes. How are they supposed to charge a vehicle when they are maxing out their current supply?
So tell me, how are we going to convert all gas powered vehicles to electric in 9 years?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:01 pm to Pintail
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So tell me, how are we going to convert all gas powered vehicles to electric in 9 years?
No one is saying that.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:01 pm to Pintail
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So tell me, how are we going to convert all gas powered vehicles to electric in 9 years?
You think gasoline powered vehicles are just going to disappear in 9 years?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:02 pm to dewster
A time is coming where manufacturers will offer soulless, boring, uninspiring, nebulous modes of transportation. Many premium brand models will blend into common makes and models, except for brand name. We have about 20-25 more years to enjoy our old gas powered collectibles like the 911, AMG, Z-car, MX-5, Mustangs, Corvettes, Wranglers and other beloved niche vehicles.
Give me options.
Give me options.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:06 pm to gumpinmizzou
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You really only need one vehicle for roadtrips per family, so if that is a concern keep one gas vehicle. On the rare occasion you need two traveling further than you can on a charge, you can rent a gas vehicle. If a demand is there for roadtrip rentals someone will meet it.
Charging times are getting faster all the time and range is becoming less and less of a factor.
Within 10 years we could have 10 minute charges for 300 miles could certainly be a thing. At that point rangxiety is no longer a factor. That's probably two stops between BR and Orlando.
The older less efficient EVs will trickle down secondary markets for a lot cheaper.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:10 pm to Ramblin Wreck
quote:My post was a joke. It doesn't cost that much to replace a battery nor do you need to do so at 100k miles.
That is about the same cost as a 15,000 mile service on a Ferrari. At least the Ferrari sounds cool when it is running.
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