re: Ford to Phase Out Gas Cars in Europe by 2030

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Imagine a gas station on the interstate where every fill up took ten minutes.

Imagine the line.

For this to work, you need massive investments.

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Most people would charge at home before they leave for a long road trip, so not every charge is going to be at these charging stations. The new Tesla 4 seat Roadster will have a 650 mile range. Far more than I am willing to drive on a single day.

But yeah, if EV adoption continues to skyrocket, there will be a market for strip malls, hotels, and restaurant clusters around large EV charging stations near major highways.

Range and charge time will be extended far beyond what we have today very quickly.

Wonder how Tesla’s are fairing in these fridged temps? Batteries generally hate the cold

Bet you lunch this doesn’t happen.

- Electric cars don’t have enough range to handle commutes of most Americans. So unless car companies have been sitting on this tech, they aren’t going to solve that overnight.
- Has anyone looked at how LI batteries are made? Does the world even have the ability to manufacture batteries on a scale to support every care in the world?
- Where are we going to charge these vehicles? And who’s going to pay for it? Those charging stations are roughly $15k a piece if you have a power source available. That becomes a huge electrical infrastructure issue if you just don’t have spare 480v power laying around.

But we’re stupid, so why the hell not.

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Electric cars don’t have enough range to handle commutes of most Americans

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How long do you think the average daily commute is for most Americans?

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You think gasoline powered vehicles are just going to disappear in 9 years?

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There are ~15 million new cars sold per year.

A Tesla, for example, uses about 34kWH per 100 miles.

Average vehicle use of 15,000 miles per year.

So tell me, where are we going to put 70 billion kWh in 9 years, and 140 billion kWh in 10 years, and so on.

Or I guess we could just.



Then add in trying to covert over the trucking fleet to EV. We are nowhere near where we need to be to convert over.

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This isn’t correct. Most commuters drive less than 50 miles per day. EV’s from 10 years back accomplished that. In fact, the design criteria for the Chevy Volt way back in 2012 was that it run in EV mode for at least the distance of the average American commuter.

Also, how long is your commute? You can get 260 miles per charge out of one of the cheapest EVs on the market. Most Tesla’s are 300+ miles.

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Yea, I asked the same, really trying to figure out why he'd say that.

In what world do "most Americans" drive 100+ miles to work every day.

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Charging them quickly is already happening. Plus the only real time you'll need to charge them quickly is road trips. If you think about it, on normal days you are leaving your home with a full charge every time. You can't leave your home every day with a full tank of gas.

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I can see fleets like Amazon or UPS needing to recharge rapidly multiple times per day by switching out drivers per shift. But they are likely building out the charging infrastructure at their facilities. And likely are expecting to replace the batteries after 3-4 years on their new electric vans given how many charge cycles they'll go through (at least 5 times what normal people would).

The Tesla Semi is supposed to save trucking companies about $0.34 per mile over a diesel semi before factoring in the significantly lower maintenance costs of an electric truck. I don't think the electric vans are that efficient, but I'm sure they are much cheaper to run than gas or diesel versions of the Ford E series or Chevy Express.

There is the charging network to support rapid charging for passenger vehicles. That network will have to expand as EV usage grows. But there is definitely not the rapid charging infrastructure present for long distance Semi trucks. That has yet to be developed.

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That is about the same cost as a 15,000 mile service on a Ferrari. At least the Ferrari sounds cool when it is running.

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But the Ferrari is also significantly slower than the new Tesla roaster and probably even slower the new Hummer EV and Cybertruck tri-motor too.

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No one wants to go on a road trip if the car takes forever to charge.

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Agreed. But hydrogen fuel cell cars are already being produced and sold and they take about the same amount of time as a gas car to fill up. The infrastructure is slim right now but will slowly increase over the next 10 years so they will be as ubiquitous as gas stations, and will probably be gas stations adding hydrogen fuel to their pumps.