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re: Ford to Phase Out Gas Cars in Europe by 2030

Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:00 pm to
If I recharge my electric car at home........ where does the energy come from?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:04 pm to
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Agreed. But hydrogen fuel cell cars are already being produced and sold and they take about the same amount of time as a gas car to fill up. The infrastructure is slim right now but will slowly increase over the next 10 years so they will be as ubiquitous as gas stations, and will probably be gas stations adding hydrogen fuel to their pumps.


We are expanding a lot faster with EVs honestly.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:05 pm to
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If I recharge my electric car at home........ where does the energy come from?



In France...probably a nuclear plant.

In the US...whatever unicorn energy solution that is allowed by our progressive ruling class. And probably not very reliably. It might be a good idea to build up natural gas fueled plants before they are banned outright.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:22 pm to
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There are ~15 million new cars sold per year.

A Tesla, for example, uses about 34kWH per 100 miles.

Average vehicle use of 15,000 miles per year.

So tell me, where are we going to put 70 billion kWh in 9 years, and 140 billion kWh in 10 years, and so on.

Or I guess we could just.


Infrastructure will have to be scaled up as electric vehicle usage continues to rapidly climb. No doubt about it. And IMO it needs to happen before these progressive lunatics start banning natural gas.



For comparison sake... 70 billion kWh as much as the states of New Jersey (71B kWH), Kentucky (71B kWH), Mississippi (66B kWH) generate per year. Louisiana generates 100B kWH. We don't have the capacity on our grid to do this without a MAJOR overhaul.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:22 pm to
I will be one of the last people to stop driving a fossil fueled truck.

I do not want electric. If it runs out of juice in the middle of the farm I will have to tow it back to the barn to charge it up. And it will die out there. All electric buggy I had did several times. Biggest piece of crap I ever owned. Gauge would say half charge and 10 minutes later it would be dead.

The only way to get me to switch will be when I can no longer find fuel. Luckily I live in a largely AG part of the state and tractors and other heavy equipment will not be converted for a while.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:31 pm to
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I do not want electric. If it runs out of juice in the middle of the farm I will have to tow it back to the barn to charge it up.


Not true.

The Tesla Cybertruck has an on board charger. You charge it with another truck...at least enough to get out of there. It also has a solar bed cover to give a trickle charge during the day. I imagine you can also do run a generator off the PTO of a tractor, which also might be electric by then.

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I will be one of the last people to stop driving a fossil fueled truck.


Buy a very basic, very reliable pickup in 2030 or so, then try to keep it around with minimal use. Maybe a 3/4 ton gasoline powered Chevy Silverado or Toyota Tacoma.

This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 4:36 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:45 pm to
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The Tesla Cybertruck has an on board charger. You charge it with another truck...at least enough to get out of there. It also has a solar bed cover to give a trickle charge during the day. I imagine you can also do run a generator off the PTO of a tractor, which also might be electric by then.


Or you could drive a twenty year old truck, and deal with none of these problems.

Hydrogen makes sense to me. Batteries don’t.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:46 pm to
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Or you could drive a twenty year old truck, and deal with none of these problems.



It's going to get very hard to find someone to repair that truck at some point.

BTW GM has explicitly stated that their medium duty truck lineup and heavier pickups are excluded from their electric vehicle commitment. So you can buy way more truck than what you need and keep it running on diesel or gas. For the environment.


This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 4:52 pm
Posted by Notasnitch
Member since Dec 2017
315 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:49 pm to
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Or you could drive a twenty year old truck, and deal with none of these problems.

Hydrogen makes sense to me. Batteries don’t.

Guess we all better sell our boats and campers in the next 10 years.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:49 pm to
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Hydrogen makes sense to me. Batteries don’t.


Why?
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:50 pm to
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Hydrogen makes sense to me. Batteries don’t.


Why?



Have you seen the Hindenburg documentary? LOTS of energy in hydrogen.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 4:51 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:51 pm to
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If I recharge my electric car at home........ where does the energy come from?


Also, where does your battery components come from?

Environmentalists are after mining too. They're probably too stupid to understand the connection.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:52 pm to
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Environmentalists are after mining too. They're probably too stupid to understand the connection.



70% of of them parrot talking points. Their knowledge of environmental issues is paper thin. The rest know they are full of shite but spread it anyways because they like the idea of totalitarian state that controls everything.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:58 pm to
I’d be more worried about a lithium fire.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:55 pm to
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If it runs out of juice in the middle of the farm I will have to tow it back to the barn to charge it up.
Question as I don't know anything about farm life, but is your farm equipment normally running out of gas while in the field, and if so why?
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19272 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:56 pm to
Don’t give a frick don’t plan on living there
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:57 pm to
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Or you could drive a twenty year old truck, and deal with none of these problems.
Why is it a concern that the electric vehicle will run out of juice but no concern that the gas/diesel powered vehicle will run out of gas/diesel?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:18 pm to
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Environmentalists


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They're probably too stupid to understand the connection.


This is always the case.
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:52 pm to
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The writing is on the wall for gas vehicles. If you want to stick with gas, you better pick up a very reliable model in about 10 years and hope that it lasts and that fuel supplies remain widely available as people switch to EV's.


Liberals haven't figured out yet how they are going to power all these electric vehicles while they shut down coal, nuclear, and natural gas plants. I guess they plan on using methane created from the shite they spew.
Posted by Notasnitch
Member since Dec 2017
315 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:03 pm to
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Why is it a concern that the electric vehicle will run out of juice but no concern that the gas/diesel powered vehicle will run out of gas/diesel

There's a reason why you see farm trucks with tanks and nozzles in the bed
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