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Florida's high speed train Brightline struggles, seeks rescue after $5.5 billion debt

Posted on 5/3/26 at 1:39 pm
Posted by RelicBatches86
Florida
Member since Nov 2024
1512 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 1:39 pm
rode on this once just to check it out, i liked it, never realized it was burning money



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Auditors for Brightline, the struggling Florida passenger railroad, warned the private company doesn’t have the cash to service its debt and meet financial obligations over the next 12 months, raising “substantial doubt” about its ability to survive.

Ernst & Young opinion disclosed in Brightline’s audited financial statement for 2025
Brightline says it is working to raise more capital and obtain extensions on its debt
Negotiations with creditors over how to handle its $5.5 billion debt began in recent weeks

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The problem for Brightline is price, not product. In December, the average fare for a trip between stations in South Florida was about $26. That is 11% cheaper than the average fare a year earlier. About $75 was the ticket price for trips that started or stopped in Orlando. That was about the same as it was a year ago.

“The public likes the product. Ridership is reasonably strong, but they're not paying top dollar,” said transportation expert Joe Schwieterman, director of DePaul University’s Chaddick Institute for Metropolitan Development.

“Price competition's been kind of a boogeyman for me by keeping fares low. The numbers just aren't working right now. There's some reason for optimism but it's a scary time,” he said.

READ MORE: Brightline parent company names new CEO in hopes to get growth on track

Brightline’s business is growing, just not fast enough to keep pace with its debt obligations and nowhere near as fast as Brightline management first expected. According to S&P Global, Brightline originally forecasted ticket revenue in 2025 would be more than $500 million. However, through the third quarter, total revenue – which includes tickets, other passenger fees such as luggage and other lease revenue – was $156 million, significantly below expectations.

“People are just not switching from their cars in enough numbers to rail,” said D’Olier-Lees. “In addition Brightline was doing a lot of discounting, particularly of long distance fares and then it was proving very sticky to get those fares up.”

S&P bond analysts decreased their revenue forecasts throughout last year, helping lead to a series of credit rating downgrades. The ratings agency wasn’t as optimistic as Brightline’s own predictions and now believes 2025 ticket sales will be up 14%. That would be less than half of the expected growth rate. And its analysis doesn’t think this year will bring a big jump in its growth rate. S&P Global forecasts Brightline ticket revenues will be up 15% this year to around $200 million.

It costs more than that to run the train. Operating expenses in the first nine months of last year were $211 million, leading to an operating loss of $55 million with one more quarter to go for the year. Full year financial information won’t be released for several more months.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
84509 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 1:54 pm to
When did this open?

I lived in Tampa from 2007 to 2009 and I've never heard of this.
Posted by Aguga
Member since Aug 2021
3967 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:16 pm to
It needs a few more stops to open up.
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
3002 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:22 pm to
You’re probably the only person in the state of Florida who wasn’t aware of this.


And the train is also notorious for hitting people.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
36070 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:26 pm to
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People are just not switching from their cars in enough numbers to rail


The market has determined that it is not a viable business.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75085 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:29 pm to
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And the train is also notorious for hitting people.

People are notorious for getting hit by the train. A train has never taken a hard left and whacked someone out of the blue.
Posted by Tvilletiger
PVB
Member since Oct 2015
5994 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:32 pm to
They probably owe 2 billion in wrongful deaths also. They run over people almost weekly in Florida. It’s a legit meme here.
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
3002 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:33 pm to
Oh, people are stupid, but the fact that people are stupid is supposed to be taken into account when building the train. And Brightline has hit more stupid people than any other train in America.
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 2:38 pm
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14565 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:33 pm to
Seems like it would have been logical to extend the tracks up to Tallahassee, Panama City and Pensacola and even up I-75 to Atlanta.
Posted by Defenseiskey
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2010
2143 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:36 pm to
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When did this open?



Started construction in 2013, opened in 2018.

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Tampa


It doesn't stop in Tampa. Starts in downtown Miami and ends at the Orlando airport.
Posted by HarrisonTown
Member since Nov 2019
629 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:42 pm to
I hope they can figure it out
Brightline is a great ride, and can be a really convenient option to move around South Florida
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
74810 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:44 pm to
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They probably owe 2 billion in wrongful deaths also. They run over people almost weekly in Florida.
Intrigues one if we could bring the cost per unit down….
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63394 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:46 pm to
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Seems like it would have been logical to extend the tracks up to Tallahassee, Panama City and Pensacola and even up I-75 to Atlanta.


Seems not based on the story in OP
Posted by JerryTheKingBawler
South of Memphis
Member since Jan 2023
8245 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:47 pm to
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Seems like it would have been logical to extend the tracks up to Tallahassee, Panama City and Pensacola

Yes
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and even up I-75 to Atlanta.

No
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
74810 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:53 pm to
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Seems like it would have been logical to extend the tracks up to Tallahassee, Panama City and Pensacola
You got another $5.5 billion+ and 5+ years for construction to get from Orlando to Tallahassee?

This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 2:54 pm
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17788 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:58 pm to
Public transportation without government subsidies will always fail because the desire to use it is completely destroyed when you realize the chances of sitting next to some random thug that wants to kill you for no reason is something you can’t control.
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 2:59 pm
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42259 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 3:21 pm to
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rode on this once just to check it out, i liked it, never realized it was burning money


It’s. Passenger rail in the US that’s not located between DC and NYC, of course it burns money
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
2982 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 3:22 pm to
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The problem for Brightline is price, not product. In December, the average fare for a trip between stations in South Florida was about $26. That is 11% cheaper than the average fare a year earlier. About $75 was the ticket price for trips that started or stopped in Orlando. That was about the same as it was a year ago.


Who comes up with this nonsense? “The problem is the price, not the product”?
So jack up the price, ridership drops, and revenue drops more.
It’s so simple even a caveman can figure it out, apparently this concept escapes the loons running the show.
Posted by BregmansWheelbarrow
Member since Mar 2020
3253 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 3:36 pm to
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Oh, people are stupid, but the fact that people are stupid is supposed to be taken into account when building the train. And Brightline has hit more stupid people than any other train in America.


Personally I have no issue with this. Not quite sure how trains are responsible for people wandering onto the tracks.
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 3:37 pm
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
7370 posts
Posted on 5/3/26 at 3:38 pm to
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hitting people


Really people hitting it by being stupid
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