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re: Flock rolls out new toys far beyond license plate readers

Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
52908 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:15 pm to
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read a vehicle's license plate from as far as 2,000 feet away.
Whether day or night, and I'm writing from direct experience in the technology, that requires a huge amount of really fast computing power utilizing very expensive video processing and algorithms that can make adjustments in real-time or about a 5-7 frames delay. Part of the issue is from that distance having to overcome natural air scintillation, which are thermal heat waves that radiate upwards from the Earth into the air. It won't be an actual video, especially at night, but one that has been processed through multiple algorithms. So what you get is a digital representation of what the internal processing 'thinks' is the correct license plate number. Plus, the camera has to be completely stable and not subject to wind pressures. I did it at a distance of 1000 meters using a FLIR camera and a 1500mm lens and the camera was using a heavy welded steel tube tripod sitting on ground isolation pads to eliminate ground waves from passing vehicles 500 yards away with 300 lbs of sandbag weight holding it all in a highly stable platform. Even then, we were unable to read the license plates because of scintillation. But, we used an outboard specialized computer that cost over $25k to feed the video to and using we were able to read a license plate, in the daytime, at 1000 meters. At night it's more difficult and an extreme low light sensor has a huge amount of read noise. The best we could do was to read a lit license plate, at night, was 500 meters and unlit at night with no city lights was about 300 meters.

If they live stream to an outboard processor, that image is digitized and then it's basically garbage in/garbage out. None of this should stand up in court as the video is significantly digitally altered by algorithms. What you get is what the computer 'thinks' it is, not what it actually is.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:24 pm to
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None of this should stand up in court as the video is significantly digitally altered by algorithms. What you get is what the computer 'thinks' it is, not what it actually is.


In the last few years at least 27 different instances of innocent people being held at gunpoint by police have happened due to faulty reads. I just find it interesting that courts seem to have no issue with this repeating issue, and that's outside of user abuse, and larger constitutional issues.

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In February of this year, a Flock camera in Sherwood, Arkansas, misread the license plate of an SUV, leading officers to detain an innocent couple at gunpoint while their six-week-old baby sat alone in a car seat in the back of the vehicle.

“Those cameras are placed everywhere, and they hit license plates,” one of the officers explained as they uncuffed the couple after realizing their error several minutes later. “I’m not gonna say they’re completely perfect, because, you know, that’s modern technology.” 

As the number of automated license plate readers (ALPRs) has skyrocketed nationwide, errors like this one are becoming increasingly common. An Institute for Justice (IJ) review of media reports and court records finds there have been at least 27 such cases since 2018, with the majority of those happening since 2023. 




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Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
109332 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:28 pm to
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As highlighted in a viral X post by Josh Walkos, Flock is rolling out "Flock Alpha"—a highly advanced, autonomous police drone designed to track vehicles and suspects from the sky.

Equipped with thermal imaging, high-definition cameras and optical zoom, the drone can stream live video to dispatchers and read a vehicle's license plate from as far as 2,000 feet away.



Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
109332 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:29 pm to
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Whether day or night, and I'm writing from direct experience in the technology, that requires a huge amount of really fast computing power utilizing very expensive video processing and algorithms that can make adjustments in real-time or about a 5-7 frames delay.


And now you know why government officials are pushing data centers so hard.
Posted by LSUTigerFan247
Member since Jun 2017
3838 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:29 pm to
Interesting how the highest crime area in Baton Rouge appears to be a void for these cameras meant to combat crime..




Posted by Kramer26
St. George, LA
Member since Jan 2005
6530 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:40 pm to
I believe BRPD uses Motorola cameras which is why they aren’t showing on the Flock map.
Posted by ob1pimpbobi
College Station
Member since Jul 2022
3352 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:49 pm to
Law enforcement have been using drones for a while. What you may not know is that these drones are made in China who is harvesting the information from them.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 2:13 pm to
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Have no fear unless you are breaking the law!
Mass surveillance is how they start finding "criminals" who haven't done anything wrong. It has already started due to these cameras and it will get much worse.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 2:17 pm to
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Crime has decreased in our neighborhood because of the cameras.
I'm all for citizens using cameras to protect their own property, and to voluntarily share it with their neighbors and law enforcement to help combat crime. And I think most people agree with that. The problem people have is with government doing it.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 2:55 pm to
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Law enforcement have been using drones for a while. What you may not know is that these drones are made in China who is harvesting the information from them.


Fun fact- the FAR prohibits Chinese drones, cameras, and equipment from being used for national security on federal projects, or from federal dollars being used to procure them on federal grants.
This post was edited on 7/29/26 at 2:57 pm
Posted by ob1pimpbobi
College Station
Member since Jul 2022
3352 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 3:29 pm to
I’m not talking about the federal level. My wife deals heavily with law enforcement. You don’t want to know all the shite these guys have at their disposal. Cops have crazy stories.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46843 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 3:43 pm to
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These Flock cameras are hated by both sides, so I don’t know why there isn’t much more pushback.


Because Flock is buying politicians at the state and local level.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 7:45 pm to
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Going forward, every crime should be solved or its corruption. This will never be used abusively. 1994 was an incredible year to be alive.


Curiously, a lot of jurisdictions have had trouble justifying these cameras through improved case closure rates.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
16287 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 9:00 pm to
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I just find it interesting that courts seem to have no issue with this repeating issue, and that's outside of user abuse, and larger constitutional issues.


I’m just going to assume that they’ll use the “implied consent” bullshite.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
27639 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 9:20 pm to
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ICE should announce that they plan on using Flock for mass deportations, and then progressives would destroy every camera and drone in the fleet

Liberals don’t do anything. They are only brainwashed simpletons and media hyping their paid protestors.
Posted by LSUTigerFan247
Member since Jun 2017
3838 posts
Posted on 7/30/26 at 5:42 am to
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I believe BRPD uses Motorola cameras which is why they aren’t showing on the Flock map.


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