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re: Explain this $600 tax thing to me like I am 12 please...

Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:31 am to
Posted by majoredinwhitehorse
lower alabama
Member since Nov 2016
809 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:31 am to
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Welcome to the Libertarian Party. Wait until you hear what happens when you die!


You may be mistaking the Libertarian party for Liberal Democrats. Big difference.

Although, despite preaching against taxes, the Republicans vote for their share of them.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21418 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:50 am to
If I sold it for less than what I paid for it I wouldn’t bother reporting anything regardless of any 1099 issued. Obviously keep all documentation.

This is a really stupid issue congress has created. The tax law does not allow to deduct hobby losses, and they are basically now asking people to report hobby income. So they don’t want people cluttering tax returns with all of their hobby expenses if not deductible anyway, but they want the gross income on the return? If you sell things as a hobby, let’s say guitars in the $800-1500 range, and you buy and sell about two a year, you have income of about $2,000. Assume you bought them for $800 a piece or $1,600 - you have a gain of $400. But in order to get that gain, you had to do a setup that takes you an hour or two per guitar, new strings, time buying and selling, etc. In reality you don’t have a gain at all. So now they are expecting you to document all of this, and put it all on a schedule C only to arrive at a deduction you aren’t allowed to take (or carry forward for that matter)?

Now if you are buying and selling on eBay for a living, in all likelihood your sales would be in the tens of thousands and would have been reportable in the past.

I understand in theory why they would capitalize on getting taxpayers to file or report income on what used to be a cash business (However if they got everyone on this, there may be no democrat voters left).

I don’t understand the point of the threshold being so low. Juice is just not worth the squeeze. And it is a completely valid point that if you were taxed on the income you paid for the watch, paid the sales tax and made no deduction for any of the associated purchases/expenses, the government would be effectively taxing you again on that income you originally earned to purchase the watch. If they want to allow hobby losses (or even suspended losses), fine, make all of it reportable. But either way, this is adding way too much clutter to an already cluttered tax system for very little return - that is unless this is simply a cash grab to impose double taxation
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37843 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:20 am to
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I bought a watch several years ago with income that I was taxed on. Then I paid sales tax at the time of the purchase.

Fast forward to now, I sell the watch online. I get paid through PayPal.


You would only be taxed on the amount you profit on the sale, so what you received from the sale minus what you paid for the watch. If that is less than zero, you owe nothing in income tax on the resale of the property. Do you have the receipt or any evidence of what you paid for the watch (even a credit card listing)?

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I sold something that I was taxed on at time of purchase and now I am being taxed again when I sell it? How is that right?


You paid sales tax on it, which is different from income tax. If you sell it for a profit, then you pay income tax on the profit, as the owner of any retail store does. But like any retail owner, you only pay personal income tax on the profit, so the cost of the item plus anything you pay for maintenance or repairs should also be deducted from the sales price.

Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130118 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:22 am to
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Explain this $600 tax thing to me like I am 12 please...



Govt takes in billions in tax revenue. They spend trillions mostly on frivolous things that do not benefit taxpayers.

Therefore, they need more tax revenue to waste. The way they do that is to tax you further.

The best way to avoid this, is to become a tax taker instead of a tax payer.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
43760 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:25 am to
It's a good thing. We have these people not wanting to pay taxes when they are in their 20s and 30s. 40s hit and they have nothing then want the tax payers to fund their Healthcare, etc.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43203 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:30 am to
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control


Or social engineering or punishing constituencies while rewarding others. It's all BS.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
54719 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:32 am to
I think the IRS delayed implementation of this.
Posted by TomJoadGhost
Alabama
Member since Nov 2022
1003 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:36 am to
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think the IRS delayed implementation of this.


The $600 threshold has been in place for at least a decade. It was upped from $500.

I’d just put the amount reported on the 1099 on Sch C, then throw an expense on there for the same amount to net it to zero. The IRS doesn’t have the manpower right now to quibble over something like that.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
38768 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:38 am to
sports betting and weed start to get legalized across the country. All of a sudden the IRS is concerned about relatively small transfers of money

its over for the small time bookie
Posted by Rex Feral
Member since Jan 2014
14637 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:40 am to
You only pay taxes on the increase in value. Subtract your purchase price from the sales price and report that as taxable income.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
9562 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:42 am to
I understand the reason for the reporting changes, to snag all these people involved in the side gig economy, but this is a paperwork nightmare.

I run a hockey camp during the summer. Basically, all the kids I coach, we divvy up the cost of ice rental. They pay me and I write one big check to the rink. This year everybody wa.nted to Venmo me. Frick no, I am not dealing with the paperwork and IRS filing for something I am making no money on. We're simply pooling our money together but it has to run through somebody.

Frick the government for doing this. $600 transaction is ridiculous. They need to make the reporting thresholds higher.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96651 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:44 am to
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Report the original cost basis and the difference is your income.


What happens if you don’t have the receipt to prove the cost basis? Nobody would have kept that receipt from 15 years ago thinking they’d need it for this bullshite
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21417 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:45 am to
Its a bit naive that you think you can sell something without uncle Sam getting a cut.

If you were smart you would have the buyer pay sales tax. Also the $600+ is now reported as income thanks to new IRS rules about capturing more income transactions.
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
12862 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:45 am to
I sold items on eBay back around 04/05 and always paid taxes in it. I don’t understand the outrage over this one.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
8254 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:11 am to
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So in the end, if you sold the watch for equal or less than you originally paid for it, then it has no bearing on your taxes. But if you made a profit on the watch, the profit is now taxable income.




Pay taxes if you made a profit but oh no, you can't deduct a loss.

Biden's America.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
8548 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:12 am to



Hope you have the original receipt for that 600 dollar watch.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6149 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:21 am to
Truck nuts for CPA’s incoming
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
7035 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:22 am to
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When you file your taxes, you deduct the original cost basis of the item you sold. So in the end, if you sold the watch for equal or less than you originally paid for it, then it has no bearing on your taxes. But if you made a profit on the watch, the profit is now taxable income.


That's bullshite. If they can tax you for making a gain on it, and it's not a business, then claim it as business and write that off as a loss if you sell for less.
Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
22681 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:24 am to
Welcome to America, where the shitbags in Washington want you to give them every cent you own. If you are a good child, they will give you a teeny tiny allowance the next year and call it a refund. Unless they deem that you are too privileged
Posted by UFownstSECsince1950
Member since Dec 2009
32797 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 9:41 am to
I understand the $600 threshold for a 1 time transaction, but what about multiple transactions just under $600 throughout the year?

For example, 2 roommates who split bills. One person pays for the bills or has them in their name (electric, tv, utilities, etc). Then the roommate Zelle’s $500 bi-weekly. Will that come back as some kind of a red flag or be an issue down the line?
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