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re: EPA is looking to remove the idling stop requirement from cars

Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:40 am to
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
14491 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:40 am to
Some people just have to argue things no matter what. I'm sure we'll see the "WTF I LOVE AUTO STOP/START NOW" crowd on Facebook later today.
Posted by suavecito80
Member since Apr 2014
2996 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:44 am to
Once again the government and climate activist save us from ourselves how much more expensive were the cars made to add that feature? It is not like the car manufactures find ways to add more cost to the consumer. Per usual the consumer gets screwed. Stupidest feature ever.
Posted by RichJ
The Land of the CoonAss
Member since Nov 2016
4178 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:16 am to
Thank you, sweet 6.5lb baby Jesus!
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96886 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:33 am to
quote:

Now let me take off the diesel bullshite on my truck.


And tractors. Having DEF or regen on farm equipment is asinine and not only does it hamper the horsepower it actually burns more fuel. And it constantly messes up and requires expensive repairs only the dealership service dept can do.

I run 50 hp tractors mostly John Deere on pto paddlewheel aeration for emergency backup on the catfish ponds. A 50 hp older JD pre regen burns 3-5 gallons if I run it for 8-10 hours. A regen 5065E JD will burn 10-12 gallons because you have to run it at higher rpms to do a regen burn. And it tears up the bearings and gearboxes on paddlewheels because they aren’t designed to run that fast. It serves literally zero purpose
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
3181 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:35 am to
This is what I voted for
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11816 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:35 am to
I just think it's a shame how Toyota was forced to go into all this turbo/hybrid bs and turned the most reliable trucks into shite.
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
3181 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:37 am to
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I have a new car and all I have to do is push a button next to the shift lever to turn off the stop/idle feature every fricking time I get in car.


cmon man, its a pita and serves very very little purpose of saving fossil fuels.
Posted by Mstate
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
10150 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:37 am to
quote:

I just think it's a shame how Toyota was forced to go into all this turbo/hybrid bs and turned the most reliable trucks into shite.


Yea the 5.7 Toyota V8 is a legendary motor for reliability. An absolute tank but it did drink gas like an alcoholic

I’d rather have that then a turbo v6 or v4 that they use now.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26129 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:38 am to
Good.

The manufacturers should push firmware updates so those of us with cars that have this awful feature can PERMANENTLY disable it forever.
Posted by Boudreauboudreaugoly
Land of the Rice n Son
Member since Oct 2017
2207 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:41 am to
quote:

I will say it does save a lot of gas in my wife's car.


Ummm…how would you know unless you turn it off or disable it to compare?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
165198 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:45 am to
Is this on all new cars? My current vehicle is a 2019 model. I didn't realize that all new cars were required to have this.
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11724 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:45 am to
quote:

Now let me take off the diesel bullshite on my truck.



Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6692 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:48 am to
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A very rare thumbs up for the EPA.
Now we need the AFM/DOD garbage removed from V8 vehicles. Please for the love of God, someone in the Trump Admin has to end this nonsense.
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
24406 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:48 am to
Please be true.

I hate that shite. The first time my truck shut off at a red light I had this momentary spike of panic that brought be back to when I drove a hoopty that would die all the time. I immediately bought an auto start eliminator to shut that bullshite off.

I also hate the thing where my 8 cylinder engine goes to 4 cylinders on the highway. I paid for 8 cylinders and I want to use 8 cylinders.
Posted by Mstate
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
10150 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:02 am to
quote:

I also hate the thing where my 8 cylinder engine goes to 4 cylinders on the highway. I paid for 8 cylinders and I want to use 8 cylinders.


My Tahoe does this. I talked to my mechanic about removing/deleting it and he said it’s possible but they have to take out the engine, replace the lifters etc but it’s pricey - around $3k
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20143 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:05 am to
quote:

you bought a car the last 5 years you’re value just cratered


Not really. I had my tuned to delete it.
Posted by Mstate
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
10150 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:06 am to
quote:

Not really. I had my tuned to delete it.


Did you also delete the cylinder deactivation crap? I’m interested to see how you like it and if you did it yourself or have a shop do it
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
34512 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:07 am to
quote:

will say it does save a lot of gas in my wife's car.


I dont see how.

The constant restarting ( temp rich condition) likely negates any fuel savings.

Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20143 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:08 am to
quote:

My Tahoe does this. I talked to my mechanic about removing/deleting it and he said it’s possible but they have to take out the engine, replace the lifters etc but it’s pricey - around $3k


Thats incorrect.

The shutting off is all electronic and can be done with a proper ECM tune.

Now, if you want to completely redo the engine and install new lifters that won’t fail bc the ones GM installed are shite, then you go this route. But just the 4/8cyl delete is rather simple and would only be 2-300.
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 11:32 am
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20143 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:32 am to
you also delete the cylinder deactivation crap? I’m interested to see how you like it and if you did it yourself or have a shop do it

I did. It’s not entirely noticeable TBH.
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