re: Elementary school shooting in Uvalde, TX...19 children and two adults killed

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I think it’s far more to it than some mentally deranged pos concocted this horrific crime all on his own. That’s exactly what I believe.

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Fair enough. The world has become so troublesome enough that I can acknowledge your beliefs as reasonable. Things like the Mandalay Bay shooting definitely bring doubt to what we’re hearing about with these stories.

Those parents must be devastated. Last week of school, summer vacation planned, and then a day like today and they’re world is crushed so violently. Such evil to do something like this. Just pure evil.

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I think people should be 21 before purchasing anything more than a hunting rifle.

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AR's are used for hunting. So are handguns.

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I think everyone who purchases a gun for the first time should be required to go to a 3 or 4 day safety class.

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Pass a civics test prior to voting? How much grammar instruction do you think should be mandated before exercising free speech? Appeal to a government panel before being subject to unreasonable search and seizure? Petition a local bureaucract before going to a church?

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And I understand the gun lobbyist don't want any type of restrictions because they don't want anything that could hurt sells, but there are some reasonable things that can be done to help prevent guns getting into the wrong hands.

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No there really isn't anything reasonable. You only think that because, as I've easily shown, you are a shallow thinker and very uneducated when it comes to civil rights.

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While I hate our government and think they’re all corrupt lying thieves, I do not believe that they are willing to kill 18 children for political points. Maybe I’m just naive and don’t want to believe it.

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I don’t think they would hesitate to do whatever was necessary to push their political objectives, I just refuse to believe they are competent enough to pull off multiple “false flag” events. They have shown time and time again just how incompetent they are. Are we supposed to believe they are capable of pulling off these events without detection?

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It takes all of 2 minutes tk see that ABC/GMA posted the exact same picture in their story/coverage when it was released.

Look, I hate the left bias in the media and I’m essentially as conservative as most of you seem to be, but some of you have completely lost it with respect to objectivity - no different than our leftist counterparts.

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The line between Poliboard conservative and OT conservative gets blurry on occasion.

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I don’t think they would hesitate to do whatever was necessary to push their political objectives, I just refuse to believe they are competent enough to pull off multiple “false flag” events. They have shown time and time again just how incompetent they are. Are we supposed to believe they are capable of pulling off these events without detection?

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Basically my belief as well.

This is a country of 300MM people and just as many guns - the chances of a handful of guns falling into the hands of crazy people are pretty damn high. It’s much easier and plausible to sit back and let the political opportunities come to you than it is to orchestrate them with the efficiency of your local DMV.

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That's on me. I also updated my post with a GMA link and disclaimer.

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I saw your update after my post.

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For perspective, our government sent tens of thousands to die in Vietnam. Hundreds of thousands to die in WWII.

I am **NOT** saying that's proof that the government had anything to do wiht today. I don't believe that. At all.

But those in government clearly could make sacrifice 19 lives for something they believed in...

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Oh good lord

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For perspective, our government sent tens of thousands to die in Vietnam. Hundreds of thousands to die in WWII. I am **NOT** saying that's proof that the government had anything to do wiht today.

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The Dude: I don't see any connection to Vietnam, Walter.

Walter Sobchak: Well, there isn't a literal connection, Dude.

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It’s just sad we live in a world where the immediate reaction by some to 19 kids dying is believe it’s a large conspiracy to take their guns….

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Thankfully we only live in a world where the reaction by some to 19 kids dying is to immediately use the event to push for gun control legislation.

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Maybe I’m crazy, but that seems like the strawman of all strawmans.

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Tuskegee Experiment
Agent Orange

The government injected 20 unconsenting individuals with plutonium to see how it affected the human body when they were building the bomb. Most died.

During WW2, the government sprayed San Francisco with bacteria to see how vulnerable the population was to biological weapons. 1000s became ill and there was at least one death.

Same experiment was repeated in a NYC subway in the 60s.

There are a multitude of things the US government has done to its own citizens to either test something or to get a response that has resulted in illness and death.

No, I don’t think that happened here, but our government would in no way be above such acts to get a certain outcome if they wanted to.

Again, this has nothing to do with this case, just stating that the US government has no qualms with injuring or killing its own citizens for “reasons”.