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re: Duke U. surgeons refuse a 14-year-old girl a kidney transplant b/c she's not vaxxed.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:22 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:22 pm to lsupride87
polio and meningitis vaccines actually have a meaningful impact on 14 year olds
oh, and she already has protection from prior infection, yet they're trying to force her into getting an outdated and increasingly ineffective vaccine already shown to be of little to no value to minors
oh, and she already has protection from prior infection, yet they're trying to force her into getting an outdated and increasingly ineffective vaccine already shown to be of little to no value to minors
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Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:22 pm to Darth_Vader
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How can you call it a vaccine when it cannot stop you from either catching or spreading the infection it’s supposed to prevent?
Whoever downvoted this must be low-functioning.
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:22 pm to lsupride87
you try so damn hard to be a contrarian, it’s nauseating. This story sucks, and she shouldn’t have to get the clot shot if her family doesn’t want her to
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:22 pm to lsupride87
That's also stupid.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:23 pm to lsunurse
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required to be fully vaccinated with a long list of vaccines.
Also in the OP she had COVID and recovered. So she has more broad immunity to COVID than a person that just received the mRNA vaccine and never got in contact with COVID. She can produce an immune response to many COVID proteins not just the spiked protein.
In your judgment with natural immunity and all the other vaccines on your list would you permit her to move forward with the kidney transplant?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:23 pm to Pettifogger
There are many vaccines that have little value in terms of actually lowering risk in any measurable amount. . Varicella being one of them with a host of others. Still going to be required
This post was edited on 12/7/22 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:23 pm to lsupride87
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This has nothing to do with politics. Before covid existed a child not vaccinated for polio or meningitis etc would also be denied and it moves down the list.
In fact, this thread and reaction is the politicizing of the issue
So you’re saying it’s based on medical science? If that’s the case, that would mean these doctors are:
(1) unaware the COVID vaccine cannot prevent her from either catching or spreading the virus.
And
(2) she already has natural immunity since she’s already had the virus.
So either these doctors didn’t know their asses from a hole in the ground or their doing it based on politics.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:24 pm to Mr. Hangover
quote:And should a poor child in 2018 from a vegan hippie family be forced to get her vaccines to get the transplant?
This story sucks, and she shouldn’t have to get the clot shot if her family doesn’t want her to
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:24 pm to lsupride87
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And the organ won’t be “wasted”. It will go to the next child on the lis
The next child willing to do whatever it takes to get an organ transplant. When you already only have a very limited supply….it must go where they think it will have the best outcome. Those in charge of donor networks think those fully vaccinated will have the best outcomes.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:25 pm to Koach K
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Whoever downvoted this must be low-functioning.
No. They just can’t come up with a valid rebuttal so they give a worthless downvote instead.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:25 pm to lsupride87
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She could have had chicken pox as well and the varicella vaccine would still be required for the transplant
This is where doctors need to pull back the reigns from administrators and do doctoring.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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even though Yulia has already had and recovered from Covid. Medical professionals who refuse to admit this is better than the vax are crazy.
This. I’m not vaxxed. I caught covid once and haven’t gotten it again nor have I had the flu. 2 years going strong
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:28 pm to GumboPot
You are talking about a finite resource that they will never ever have enough of. Making strict requirements that give even a .00000000000001% better chance of survival makes sense because the item at hand will always have someone else that needs it.
If organs were being wasted due to the requirements being too stringent I would 100% agree with you
If organs were being wasted due to the requirements being too stringent I would 100% agree with you
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:28 pm to andwesway
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The thought process behind it is that you are immunocompromised after surgery
You’re immunocompromised after getting the jab though
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:29 pm to GumboPot
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But one of these "vaccines" is not like the others.
Because it's an mRNA vaccine? Wouldn't the Novavax vaccine be an option that isn't an mRNA vaccine?
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:29 pm to lsunurse
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Those in charge of donor networks think those fully vaccinated will have the best outcomes.
More vaccinated than unvaccinated died from COVID-19 in August: analysis
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:31 pm to lsupride87
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You are talking about a finite resource that they will never ever have enough of. Making strict requirements that give even a .00000000000001% better chance of survival makes sense because the item at hand will always have someone else that needs it.
The vaxx probably lowers her chance of survival and to all the kids receiving transplants after her. It's counter to the goal you are tying to achieve.
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:32 pm to GumboPot
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The vaxx probably lowers her chance of survival and to all the kids receiving transplants after her. It's counter to the goal you are tying to achieve.
This is why I make fun of y'all. The OT opinion has shifted from "immunocompromised people need the vaccine" to "the vaccine deletes your immune system"
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:32 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:I don’t think she should be denied the transplant, but won’t immunosuppressants required after the transplant have an affect here?
(2) she already has natural immunity since she’s already had the virus.
I take the approach that the doctors should provide a recommendation and the medical reason for the recommendation and then let the patient make an informed decision (even if the patient chooses to make an bad decision based on bad information obtained elsewhere).
Posted on 12/7/22 at 3:32 pm to GumboPot
Do we still need to call md’s “Dr”?
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