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re: Doctors, nurses grow desperate for protective gear, fear they're infecting patients

Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:45 pm to
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:45 pm to
There was no shortage of masks when I purchased one.


That is the point I'm trying to drive home.

I saw this coming 2 months ago and acted accordingly. There are important people in important positions that didn't think this was very important.

I thought it was important for me to have a mask so I bought a 3 pack, a gallon of alcohol, latex gloves, and restocked my medicine cabinets. I did this because I thought it would be important and wise for me to be prepared.

And now I'm the a-hole?

F all of you dissing on me instead of calling out the so called professionals.
Posted by LSUJML
Central
Member since May 2008
56852 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:46 pm to
That’s pretty cool!

TYFYS
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
30133 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:47 pm to
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Even in our procedure rooms we have to keep masks locked up or put away because we’ve had patients and family members trying to steal handfuls of them.


I also work in a clinic and we had to take hand sanitizer out of the rooms because people were stealing them
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
30133 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:51 pm to
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I know I'm probably gonna get laughed at and made fun of for saying this, but whatever. My quilt guild got an email from an ER doc locally who asked us to make fabric covers they can put over their masks since there is such a shortage. We have fired up our sewing machines and production is in high gear now that we have the guidelines and specs they want. I hope it helps

As an ER doctor, thank you for your service
Posted by Doctor Strangelove
Member since Feb 2018
3507 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:00 pm to
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oh and by the way, why didn't your hospital stock up on masks and gloves? why is it the governments fault that your supply chain sucks?


For most items the government shouldn’t be involved and on that point, I agree. However, there are certain items critical and strategic to the survival and defense of our country that should not be outsourced. For instance, steel and other metals like tin, aluminum,for the defense industry, oil production. Pharmaceuticals and medical supplies should also be considered as critical in light of this recent pandemic.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:05 pm to
quote:

What’s the hold up on the mass production of these masks?



Well, I doubt 3M has a warehouse full of mask making machines and the materials needed to make them all ready to go at the flip of a switch.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:08 pm to
quote:

There was no shortage of masks when I purchased one.


That is the point I'm trying to drive home.

I saw this coming 2 months ago and acted accordingly. There are important people in important positions that didn't think this was very important.

I thought it was important for me to have a mask so I bought a 3 pack, a gallon of alcohol, latex gloves, and restocked my medicine cabinets. I did this because I thought it would be important and wise for me to be prepared.


I did the same with materials I need for my business. Boxes of nitril gloves, gallons of 91% isopropyl, etc.

Normally I buy as needed but saw this coming so stocked up so I can keep running.

Posted by Doctor Strangelove
Member since Feb 2018
3507 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:11 pm to
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YOUR hospital buys the supplies from the lowest bidder. not the govt. Same for pharmaceuticals. and if the medical community didn't charge $25,000.00 for a one hour hernia surgery thereby driving costs sky-high, we wouldn't be sourcing the cheapest price all the time in an effort to lower prices.


IMO this is a different subject regarding the insurance companies being the middlemen between the consumer, (patient) and the health care provider. No one cared what they got charged in the past for medical supplies and hospital stays because their company provided medical insurance paid for it. Now that premiums are so hig, people are noticing how expensive these canaries have become. John Stossel made a good case for doing away with insurance and going to a pay for service model where the health care industry competes. You need a heart transplant? There is a group in Nebraska or Ok, ( I forget which) that will do it for 1/10 of the cost compared to Miami.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95096 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:33 pm to
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Well, I doubt 3M has a warehouse full of mask making machines and the materials needed to make them all ready to go at the flip of a switch.


Is that not what the Act Trump signed two days ago was intended for? I understand it will be a few days, but this puts people to work and keeps them busy.

You can’t convince me that there aren’t plants in this country that can’t start spitting these things out.
Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
7245 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:44 pm to
Posted a thread about this last night. My wife is a nurse in a major Ohio City. Of course I got down voted to hell for telling people that nurses and docs on the Frontline are desperate for masks and donate any you have to your local hospitals.

LINK
Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
7245 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:46 pm to
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What’s the hold up on the mass production of these masks?


3M is supplying masks around the world. Countries are getting an alottment.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:47 pm to
My job takes me into a lot of healthcare facilities, esp nursing homes.

That will continue through all of this.

I have the immune system of a 20 year old alligator and I hope it holds.

I’m definitely going to be exposed if I haven’t already.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10764 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:48 pm to
Wait, did you post on bravorealhousewives on reddit this morning about your daughter’s procedure?! Small world.
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:48 pm to
...it's going to stay that way until we tell the Chicken Little crowd to STFU and let people go back to work.
Posted by TigerRagAndrew
Check my style out
Member since Aug 2004
7262 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:52 pm to
The government is partially to blame for the rise in healthcare costs. Mandated HCIT, malpractice insurance, and the rise in required ancillary staffing levels are wholly responsible
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
41985 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:56 pm to
Globalism fails us yet again. We need to be more self reliant. More prepared for worst case scenarios (not saying we could have predicted this) and better equipped to help our people out
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13231 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 5:59 pm to
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My PCP told me I probably had it in December


It's up to you if you want to have an idiot for your PCP.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38239 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:18 pm to
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there are certain items critical and strategic to the survival and defense of our country that should not be outsourced. For instance, steel and other metals like tin, aluminum,for the defense industry, oil production. Pharmaceuticals and medical supplies should also be considered as critical in light of this recent pandemic.



I don’t disagree. But hindsight is 20/20.as far as equipment goes. I think a larger problem is the hysteria caused by the media that drove lay people to rush out and purchase existing inventories be they medical supplies or water and toilet paper.

I completely agree that we need to manufacture more of these items domestically, but few want to pay the higher cost. And that’s not solely on the government. While I think it sucks that you guys are short on masks, gowns, alcohol, vents...we’re Ramping up manufacturing and should be able to get the shortages addressed.

Oil isn’t as critical cause we’ve gotten so good at production. Steel is a whole other issue as are the minerals to make it.
Posted by Btrtigerfan
Disgruntled employee
Member since Dec 2007
24183 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:18 pm to
quote:

there are certain items critical and strategic to the survival and defense of our country that should not be outsourced. For instance, steel and other metals like tin, aluminum,for the defense industry, oil production. Pharmaceuticals and medical supplies should also be considered as critical in light of this recent pandemic.




I agree. This even changed my opinion of farm subsidies. We are producing plenty of food stateside to feed ourselves. Outsourcing that would be disastrous.
Posted by Chef Free Gold Bloom
Wherever I’m needed
Member since Dec 2019
1364 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 6:20 pm to
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How our govt let critical items like this be outsourced in China along with our pharmaceutical supply is criminal.


Thanks Clinton,Bush, and Obama.

I’m praying we bring manufacturing back to America or at minimum Mexico after this
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