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re: Do you believe rap/hip hop music has been a net positive or negative for society?
Posted on 3/28/19 at 12:46 pm to The Funnie Five
Posted on 3/28/19 at 12:46 pm to The Funnie Five
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One, rap music takes zero talent these days. In the old rap days like with NWA it took some level of talent especially with the lyrics, but I blame the likes of T Pain and auto tune to making it the musical wasteland it is these days. No talent, just create a generic beat and talk along to it. That's it. Lyrics have gone into the shitter and are not creative.
I agree that alot of music there is no talent. Hell, today you have a lot of guys who can't even rap on beat. But let's be clear, there are many lyricists in Hip-Hop. They may not be the guys you here in the top 40, but they definitely exist. Any true Hip-Hop heads know who these lyricists are. These guys are story-tellers, and much more. If you can make someone need to listen to your song 3-5 times to even determine the deeper meanings in the song then that is talent. Also T-Pain is far from being untalented. He is a great singer. Also, believe it or not, producing music, making beats, etc is a talent as well. He does all of this. I do agree he could make some much better music, but he definitely has talent.
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Second, rap music glorifies deviant behavior like violence, pimping, prostitution, drug use, and disrespect of women.
Rap does seem to be in its own reign when it comes to talking about things like murder and other high level crimes like that. But a lot of the other themes such as having money, drugs, degrading women are found in almost every genre to some extent. Rock music has no moral high ground here.
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Third, it puts a bad influence on urban youth. Just look at how many of them are "aspiring rappers" when you read some crime story. So many of them think they can make it as rappers, instead of trying to make it in a profession where they have greater odds of success
I don't see it as a bad thing that some people aspire to be rappers. The problem is that they committed crimes and were living an unsavory lifestyle. Other than that, aspiring rappers are no different than aspring singers, aspiring instrumentalist, etc. Some will make it, most won't and will need to find another career.
Although I certainly have my favorites, I'm a guy that can respect and listen to many genres. I respect rock music. A lot of it is fun. I do enjoy listening to the different instruments doing their thing. Hell, most of radio rap music is trash. But I'd be lying if I said it doesn't get me hype or want to dance when I'm in that mood. I think that is the thing people are missing. Not all music is meant to be deep. Not all music is meant to be about love. Not all music is meant to be some deep social commentary. Some music is simply meant to get your head bobbing or feet moving. Some will make you want to run through a wall because you're so excited. All of these different types of music deserves a place in society.
Tl;dr Hip Hop is SOOOO much more than what's played on radios or the violence that is found in many songs. Lastly, there is no genre that is truly better than another. It is all based on preference. We all like what we like. That is ok.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 12:55 pm to mindbreaker
The beats are recycled, the lyrics are cliched the "songs" are monotonous. The genre is cringe worthy.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:30 pm to MightyYat
Like this anti-American shithead?


Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:35 pm to fallguy_1978
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It's a terrible influence on young urban youth being raised in fatherless homes.
Which are the vast majority of black kids
Posted on 3/28/19 at 1:36 pm to The Funnie Five
There is nothing endearing to me about rap music. It sucks musically and especially lyrically.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:06 pm to The Funnie Five
While I agree, every generation seems to suffer from "My music was real and took talent, but this new music is not music, it sucks and has a negative impact on young fans".
Opera fans said it about that new immoral Jazz music sweeping the world.
Big band jazz & crooner's said it about early rock n roll.
50's RnR-ers said it about 60's/70's classic rock.
Classic rockers said it about disco.
Disco fans said it about punk rock.
Punk rockers said it about new wave.
New wave said it about Hair bands.
Hair bands said it about Grunge.
Grunge said it about Alt-rock.
Alt-rock said it about EDM, etc..
You can do it for country: bluegrass>>classic country>>pop-rock country>>bro country, etc..
Or for rap: early hip hop>>gangsta rap>>dance rap>>mumble rap, etc...
I'm not saying you (and I) are wrong, I'm just pointing out "our music" was also deemed unworthy by some older generation, so there's a bigger perspective to consider when we are on our soapbox.
On a positive note: I actually can't wait for the day when snooty Mumble Rappers openly diss the genre of TurdFartShitBeats as "crap" music!
Opera fans said it about that new immoral Jazz music sweeping the world.
Big band jazz & crooner's said it about early rock n roll.
50's RnR-ers said it about 60's/70's classic rock.
Classic rockers said it about disco.
Disco fans said it about punk rock.
Punk rockers said it about new wave.
New wave said it about Hair bands.
Hair bands said it about Grunge.
Grunge said it about Alt-rock.
Alt-rock said it about EDM, etc..
You can do it for country: bluegrass>>classic country>>pop-rock country>>bro country, etc..
Or for rap: early hip hop>>gangsta rap>>dance rap>>mumble rap, etc...
I'm not saying you (and I) are wrong, I'm just pointing out "our music" was also deemed unworthy by some older generation, so there's a bigger perspective to consider when we are on our soapbox.
On a positive note: I actually can't wait for the day when snooty Mumble Rappers openly diss the genre of TurdFartShitBeats as "crap" music!
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:09 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Like this anti-American shithead?
No one said he wasn't. What are you even trying to argue here?
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:12 pm to MightyYat
I have no idea. I'm just very bored. 
Posted on 3/28/19 at 2:32 pm to The Funnie Five
Net positive.
The only musical genre that has had a net negative effect is country/southern rock.
The only musical genre that has had a net negative effect is country/southern rock.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 3:07 pm to The Funnie Five
Mostly negative, except for the worst of the worst out there. It gives some an outlet, where, instead of killing, robbing and raping, they can rap about doing it, without actually spending that time doing it. That is a positive.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 3:28 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Yet the vast majority of those middle class white kids don’t actually become gangsters. They just listen to it and that’s that. So why does it trigger all of you?
Posted on 3/28/19 at 3:37 pm to Jake88
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Yes, at first. But, now it fosters and advertises a lifestyle that people want to emulate.
Of course. But the origins of hip-hop is couched in the drug war, and the experience of "urban renewal" projects, which decimated inner cities.
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Alot? No. A little? Possibly.
It's incredibly difficult to make a good beat. You need lots of good equipment. Sequencers, workstations, programs, plugins, samplers, mics, rack-mounted gear etc. You need to have the right ear for breaks in samples, understand syncopation intuitively, and you have to do a lot of tedious work in the studio, especially when you are first starting out.
It's not simple at all. It takes a lot of hard work, and I say that today, where programs like Logic, FL Studio, Pro Tools and Ableton take a ton of tedium out of recording. In the older days you could maybe get away with a TR-808 and a rapper, but that quickly transformed into complicated and clever arrangements in the late 80's and 90's.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 3:39 pm to The Funnie Five
The only net positive is that women act slutty and shake their arse to it. Everything it has promoted and been a part of has drastically effected culture in a negative way.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 3:41 pm to The Funnie Five
Rap has been on a long downward spiral since the mid-90s. There's still some good underground rap but most of the mainstream stuff is corruptible garbage. Went from ATCQ, Pete Rock, Big L to this mumble/gangsta crap.
Some golden age hip hop:
Gangstar - Moment of Truth
Big L - Street Struck
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Reminisce Over You
ATQC - Award Tour
Pharcyde - Passing Me By
Some golden age hip hop:
Gangstar - Moment of Truth
Big L - Street Struck
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Reminisce Over You
ATQC - Award Tour
Pharcyde - Passing Me By
This post was edited on 3/28/19 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 3/28/19 at 3:54 pm to QJenk
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These rappers aren't making music about murder, money, hoes just for the heck of it.
Ummm yes they are. Most rappers are fake as hell and wouldn't bust a grape. Obviously you do have a handful of them that actually live that life but most dont
This post was edited on 3/28/19 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 3/28/19 at 3:56 pm to TheTexasTiger7
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I’m 17 and honestley understand your points, but I listen to it everyday, and that’s just what’s popular now. I listen to it, and it doesn’t have a negative effect on me. Prepared for some downvotes here, but I love it. To anyone who has kids my age or will, they will love it to.
Remember this post in 13 years, 17 year Olds are idiots.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 3:56 pm to yaboidarrell
Saw the name of a rapper that was "Lil One Hunnet"
Rap music has contributed to a bastardization of the English language and grammar, and brought ebonics into the mainstream.
Rap music has contributed to a bastardization of the English language and grammar, and brought ebonics into the mainstream.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 4:07 pm to Collegedropout
quote:Lol bruh get the frick out of here. There's so many rock songs with obvious drug references that I'm going to just assume that you're trolling.
Rock music might reference drugs but it isn't exactly obvious unless you too are a drug user. They don't come out and say the word cocaine a dozen times
Posted on 3/28/19 at 4:41 pm to The Funnie Five
Scourge of society.
Posted on 3/28/19 at 5:21 pm to The Funnie Five
Our society is not screwed up because of music. Kids that listen to rap and live a life around its ideas have shitty parents.
I think YouTube, and any other media site has killed the originality and soul of music. Now, it’s like there’s a formula to make a hit song, so artists just concoct some shite that fits said formula.
The audience that eats it up is like lemmings.
I find Eminem to be refreshing at times. Original West Coast rap has meaningful lyrics. The modern shite, for the most part, is bad. It’s morphed into R&B as well, and even country music.
Anybody can make it big with a catchy beat and some luck. Just look at what Mo Bamba did.
I think YouTube, and any other media site has killed the originality and soul of music. Now, it’s like there’s a formula to make a hit song, so artists just concoct some shite that fits said formula.
The audience that eats it up is like lemmings.
I find Eminem to be refreshing at times. Original West Coast rap has meaningful lyrics. The modern shite, for the most part, is bad. It’s morphed into R&B as well, and even country music.
Anybody can make it big with a catchy beat and some luck. Just look at what Mo Bamba did.
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