re: Do you believe rap/hip hop music has been a net positive or negative for society?

It gets the bitches acting slutty.

Thats a W imo

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It hasn't at all it's just not in the forefront there are plenty of artist from that era still making hip-hop today

Aesop rock
MF Doom
Brother Ali
Atmosphere
Talib Kwali
Royce the 5'9
Logic

and a fewer newer artists that are using a more lyrical style Kendrick Lamar, Childish Gambino being a couple

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Solid point, mindbreaker. I was mainly noting that many what we regard as the underground classics (Madvillainy, The Cold Vein, Deltron 3030, Mm...Food, Funcrusher Plus, etc.) seemed to emerge around the same window of time.

Unfortunately, MF DOOM (one of my personal favorites) has not produced much new material in the past decade. Perhaps the death of his son will offer some form of cathartic catalyst for future material.

Aesop Rock is most definitely an underground artist who remains active. For any neophytes who question the lyrical abilities of rap artists, listen to this man's wordplay. He would make Shakespeare blush.

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One, rap music takes zero talent these days. In the old rap days like with NWA it took some level of talent especially with the lyrics, but I blame the likes of T Pain and auto tune

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Well that’s what’s selling. They are going to produce whatever makes money. I agree, though, that a lot of the music you hear on the radio is terrible.

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Second, rap music glorifies deviant behavior like violence, pimping, prostitution, drug use, and disrespect of women. I find it funny how the Me Too movement has not targeted rap music ye

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This is just expression. If you’re dumb enought to act in a harmful way because of music, you’re just weak minded. I love to listen to heavy metal that has lyrics about war and violence yet I don’t even start an argument if I can avoid it. #metoo won’t touch rap music because mosts artists are black. They won’t ever criticize a minority group.

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Third, it puts a bad influence on urban youth. Just look at how many of them are "aspiring rappers" when you read some crime story. So many of them think they can make it as rappers, instead of trying to make it in a profession where they have greater odds of success

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That’s due to lack of parenting. You are more likely to become a product of your environmen than anything else.

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Fourth, it dumbs down our youth. Mainly teenagers. They all listen to this crap, that has worthless lyrics and turns their brains into mush

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Again that falls on parenting.

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Fifth, it has killed genres like rock music out of the mainstream.

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Oh well. But rock music is still out there. You have to look harder to find the newer bands, there are still some great groups shredding out there.

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Sixth, I feel like rap and hip hop has paved the way for another garbage genre of music, bro country, which I think is worse than rap and hip hop music.

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Country music has sucked for a while. Johnny Cash will always be my go to.

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You have to look harder to find the newer bands, there are still some great groups shredding out there.

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May be, but I haven't heard anything that will be classic or remembered 10 years from now.

What a silly thing to say. The late 60’s early 70’s rock turned middle class white kids into anti-American shitheads. See how easy that was?

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May be, but I haven't heard anything that will be classic or remembered 10 years from now.

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I think rock will make a come back one day. Or at least I hope so.

It truly started with Elvis Presley

Rock music might reference drugs but it isn't exactly obvious unless you too are a drug user. They don't come out and say the word cocaine a dozen times

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Rock music might reference drugs but it isn't exactly obvious unless you too are a drug user. They don't come out and say the word cocaine a dozen times

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If you want to hang out, you've gotta take her out, cocaine
If you want to get down, get down on the ground, cocaine

She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie,
Cocaine

If you got that lose, you want to kick them blues, cocaine
When your day is done, and you want to ride on cocaine

She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie,
Cocaine

If your day is gone, and you want to ride on, cocaine
Don't forget this fact, you can't get it back, cocaine

She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie,
Cocaine

She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie,
Cocaine

You're right, it's less than twelve times.

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Lyrically there is no other genre that can touch the amount of vocabulary variety presented in the Hip-hop genre. So before painting a broad brush about what is out there make a little effort to search for good Hip Hop that isn't on the radio it isn't difficult to find.

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This.

I can't stand the large majority of hip hop that you hear on the radio these days but if you actually dig down into the underground, indie stuff, there is some absolutely INCREDIBLE music being put out these days....lyrically profound cultural takes and poetry.

Rap and hip hop are no different than rock music. Both founded by black folks in challenging conditions who spoke to their experiences through music. Again, same as rock, some artists skip over the cultural value of music and instead make music to evoke certain emotions (partying, anger, etc.). It's all just music and it's all just art.

Nickelback and other grunge knockoffs sucked arse. But ya know what? All of that shite was very popular for several years, nearly unavoidable on the radio. How is that any different than hearing 21 Savage gain popularity for a couple of years?

It's music. It's not responsible for what you deem to be "cultural decline". Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you should scapegoat it for all of society's ills.