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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:47 pm to tiger91
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:47 pm to tiger91
There was no fermentation taking place in her body. That’s an absurd statement by anyone with a basic science background.
She was on life support at the hospital and her organs were donated after they removed her from life support.
She was on life support at the hospital and her organs were donated after they removed her from life support.
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:49 pm to JudgeHolden
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They knew she was drunk. They did not say she was incapacitated. They kind of said the opposite.
So "wrong" and "not drunk,drunk drunk" (paraphrase) says the opposite of unable to give consent to you?
You had been pretty impartial in this thread, but your trend today ain it
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:49 pm to JudgeHolden
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They knew she was drunk. They did not say she was incapacitated. They kind of said the opposite
“When I say she was drunk, drunk I mean she was drunk”
Washington can’t even spell incapacitated. You expected him to use that specific word?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:50 pm to JudgeHolden
They knew she was drunk drunk
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:51 pm to ell_13
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I’m curious when it was taken. We don’t really know what kind of condition her body was in after being hit by the car. We do know she was kept on life support for some amount of time. But if she had liver damage, how does that impact how it processes her blood? Obviously, it would all be scrutinized in court though I’m still not convinced this ever goes that far.
Her body was in very bad condition after being hit by the car. She was kept alive for organ donation and her family elected not to have her put on life support.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:51 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:You use these often at LSU tailgates?
There are calculators that give at the very least very solid estimates.
quote:Which is what exactly? Before Judge ever posted about BAC, I was curious how her condition could affect the reading. Not that I’m doubting it like he is but it’s an interesting question. BACs have been thrown out even if by blood draw because the swab used had alcohol on it and contaminated the sample. shite like that happens. So who knows what the trauma she experienced could do to it. It’s a fair question.
But go on doing the same dumb thing you've been doing all thread
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:51 pm to ell_13
quote:
You use these often at LSU tailgates?
Idiot
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:51 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Not all of them.
her organs were donated after they removed her from life support.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:51 pm to JudgeHolden
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Do we know if she was DOA? Or was she on a vent? That could make a difference.
these posts were made yesterday, the first was a reply to you asking the same question...
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She donated organs so she was likely intubated in the ambulance or at the scene. First thing they do is draw labs for blood testing to find donor matches. They probably tested her BAC levels upon arrival to the hospital. Which means the Hospital lab ran the test. I promise they run a lot of those tests daily.
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You are correct, Kiran's report says she was on a vent until her family decided to pull the plug . Feel incredibly sorry for her family to see the last moments in her life played out in a media spectacle. There are quite a few posters in this thread who are WWAAYYY too invested for their own good. Hopefully justice is served for ALL the victims in this case, and if rumors are true the POS Washington should never see the light of day as a free man for the girls he has allegedly raped.
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This is correct. I’ll add, in one of the reports it was stated that her family withdrew life support. That leads me to believe that she likely had a pulse but no brain activity. So in response to the person that said something about the rise of BAC in a corpse. That isn’t the case here. Labs were drawn prior to death.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:52 pm to JudgeHolden
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They knew she was drunk. They did not say she was incapacitated. They kind of said the opposite.
They said the opposite? How do you figure?
I don’t see how their statements about her condition, at least the statements we know of from the affidavits, can possibly be good for the defense.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:52 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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judge with all due respect you are out of your element here. You clearly know the law better than me, but you are wrong here. Fermentation isn’t happening within a couple hours of arriving at the hospital. That would only occur in a decomposing body. As soon as she was hit 911 was called and I would bet she was in the ER within 20 minutes where labs and blood was being drawn.
You may be right. But what do we know?
Does anyone know if she was DOA? Did she have liver damage, which could mean that her BAC could rise post-injury?
That video doesn’t look like .319. The defense is going to put a lot of effort into discrediting the reading. I sure would. The paperwork had better be pristine.
Remember that no one knew this was a rape case when they were drawing the blood.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:53 pm to JudgeHolden
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They knew she was drunk. They did not say she was incapacitated. They kind of said the opposite.
Judge, you were on a roll early on in the thread but you have been taking L's lately.
the girl slumped over when asked for her address unresponsive. plenty of examples of them indicating her incapacitation.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:53 pm to lostinbr
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They said the opposite? How do you figure?
Didn’t two of them say they thought they had consent?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:55 pm to JudgeHolden
JudgeHolden,
Thanks for your voice of reason posts on the thread.
Yes, Madison was kept alive until they could consult with the family. She was an organ donor and her organs went to save others.
As stated, standard procedure on arrival to the ER is to draw blood and that's what led to the BAC results.
One of the scientific papers said a person's BAC goes down .016 per hour. Sure age, health, gender, what they ate all factors in.
Nothing yet if the perps gave her alcohol in the car or if anything (flask) was found in her purse. But the video inside the bar led them to say she hadn't consumed any alcohol for an hour before leaving the bar at 1:50.
The defense attorneys implied strongly their clients had been drinking as well ("They were at a bar!") and will try to say their own impairment led to their inability to assess that of Madison.
Thanks for your voice of reason posts on the thread.
Yes, Madison was kept alive until they could consult with the family. She was an organ donor and her organs went to save others.
As stated, standard procedure on arrival to the ER is to draw blood and that's what led to the BAC results.
One of the scientific papers said a person's BAC goes down .016 per hour. Sure age, health, gender, what they ate all factors in.
Nothing yet if the perps gave her alcohol in the car or if anything (flask) was found in her purse. But the video inside the bar led them to say she hadn't consumed any alcohol for an hour before leaving the bar at 1:50.
The defense attorneys implied strongly their clients had been drinking as well ("They were at a bar!") and will try to say their own impairment led to their inability to assess that of Madison.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:55 pm to Beef Tips
Judge, wouldn't be a bad idea to go back and reread the affidavit.
This thread can get your head all twisted up. I had to do the same.
This thread can get your head all twisted up. I had to do the same.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:56 pm to ell_13
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So who knows what the trauma she experienced could do to it. It’s a fair question.
It’s not a fair question. He didn’t post anything about trauma. He posted a study about decomposing bodies producing alcohol from fermentation. Totally irrelevant in this case.
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A person's blood-alcohol concentration (BAC) and state of inebriation at the time of death is not always easy to establish owing to various postmortem artifacts. The possibility of alcohol being produced in the body after death, e.g. via microbial contamination and fermentation is a recurring issue in routine casework.
She was alive when blood work was drawn.
His citation is only relevant in decomposing bodies.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:56 pm to Beef Tips
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Judge, you were on a roll early on in the thread but you have been taking L's lately.
I’m not trying to win. I’m trying to be objective.
Visuals are extremely powerful at trial. The video of her running doesn’t fit incapacitation.
This case is unlikely to be clean with that video.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:56 pm to JudgeHolden
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Many people aren’t going to believe someone four times the legal limit to drive can jog across a road and hop a curb.
I mean, you can definitely be very drunk and still coordinated enough to run. I've seen people do all kinds of crazy things and not remember a bit of it the next day.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:56 pm to JudgeHolden
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Didn’t two of them say they thought they had consent?
Not as far as I’m aware.
I’ve only seen statements from the driver and Washington. The driver admitted he felt sick over what was happening, agreed she was too drunk to consent, and said he put a stop to it. Washington said he didn’t even have sex with her (until they asked for a DNA sample) so he sure as hell wasn’t claiming consent.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:56 pm to pussywillows
Was she fully dressed when she was stuck by the car? Or did they suspect something because she was partiality clothed and they saw the sexual injuries?
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