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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:58 pm to Beef Tips
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:58 pm to Beef Tips
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the girl slumped over when asked for her address unresponsive
The perps knew she was drunk beyond simply tipsy. Their own words condemn them
I have no idea why he's still defending after their own words says the realize she was somewhat incapacitated.
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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She was alive when blood work was drawn.
Do we know that?
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His citation is only relevant in decomposing bodies.
Nope. Also people who have liver damage before they have absorbed all they drank. I’m guessing she had significant internal injuries after being hit by a car on Burbank.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:00 pm to JudgeHolden
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I’m not trying to win. I’m trying to be objective. Visuals are extremely powerful at trial. The video of her running doesn’t fit incapacitation. This case is unlikely to be clean with that video.
Evidence that she was NOT incapacitated:
She crossed a street and walked to a car
Evidence that she was incapacitated:
She fell off a barstool
She was trying to open random doors in the parking lot
She couldn’t provide her address
She was “drunk, drunk like really drunk”
She wandered on to a highway to her death
The highly specific lab test said her BAC was .32
Is that objective enough judge?
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:00 pm to financetiger
This thread is getting ridiculous
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:00 pm to BrianFlanagan
Total side question then: how was she kept alive if not on life support?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:04 pm to WaWaWeeWa
No. It’s still a fair question because you nor I know how trauma can affect the results. And we certainly don’t know the details of her injuries either. Again, I’m only asking out of ignorance of the details and how that would impact BAC.
Lastly, I’ve already said multiple times that the reading isn’t that important compared to how two of the four guys described her condition. They incriminated themselves and they can’t take that back. So I’m asking more out of curiosity than it being a factor in their guilt at all.
Lastly, I’ve already said multiple times that the reading isn’t that important compared to how two of the four guys described her condition. They incriminated themselves and they can’t take that back. So I’m asking more out of curiosity than it being a factor in their guilt at all.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I have no idea why he's still defending after their own words says the realize she was somewhat incapacitated.
I’m not defending anyone. I’m telling how this might play out.
The statements come in through a deputy. Carver’s statement may not be admissible against Washington. Hopefully they’ve got good video.
The medical teams on duty at 3 am on a Sunday did not necessarily know they were gathering evidence for a criminal trial. Any gap in technique or timing or custody could be a problem in light of that video.
I hope they are convicted or plead. But I also know that EVERY case has warts.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:05 pm to djangochained
The affidavit says that one of the guys stated that they “got dressed”. How dressed she was was not info provided.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:06 pm to JudgeHolden
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Nope. Also people who have liver damage before they have absorbed all they drank.
That would only come into play if her body was still absorbing alcohol when she was hit by the car. Which would mean the parking lot video was not, in fact, representative of her state of mind later in the car.
That would be even worse for the defense.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:06 pm to JudgeHolden
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Do we know that?
How do we know she was alive when the blood work was drawn?
Because her family had an opportunity to decline more permanent life support.
They aren’t telling the family of a 20 year old girl they probably should pull the plug if they haven’t even drawn bloodwork.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:07 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Is that objective enough judge?
It’s strong. I’d bet we are going to learn it’s not conclusive. And I hope I’m wrong.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Because her family had an opportunity to decline more permanent life support. They aren’t telling the family of a 20 year old girl they probably should pull the plug if they haven’t even drawn bloodwork.
I’ve seen this said but don’t know the source.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:08 pm to TheWalrus
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This thread is getting ridiculous
Its not a great indictment of society. People are still arguing stupidity that was settled days ago.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:09 pm to lostinbr
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That would be even worse for the defense.
It very well could be.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:09 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Judge is just playing devils advocate here, prior to most evidence being available so to this point is conjecture.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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settled days ago.
Things are settled at trial. And trials are incredibly dynamic events.
You are convinced. Good for you. No prosecutor alive is going to be as confident as you are with what you know.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:11 pm to lostinbr
Probably had IVF wide open once first responders got to her, this would likely reduce the bac level on blood draw at hospital.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:11 pm to ell_13
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No. It’s still a fair question because you nor I know how trauma can affect the results.
I do because I have medical training. If anything she would have been pumped with a ton of fluids in a trauma situation that would significantly dilute a blood specimen in the setting of severe blood loss. So the fact that the BAC was that high tells me the sample was taken very early. Probably simultaneously with when fluids were started. Things happen incredibly quickly in a trauma situation. The ER is alerted and a huge team is ready as soon as the patient arrives.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:12 pm to JudgeHolden
again...
UWK article
UWK article
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Brooks was taken to the hospital where she was placed on vent, but the family did end up pulling her off life support. Brooks donated her organs.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:12 pm to t00f
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Judge is just playing devils advocate here, prior to most evidence being available so to this point is conjecture.
Well yeah.
But with what the defense knows, they are hammering on that video and attacking the BAC. I see why.
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