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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:02 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:02 pm to Scruffy
I agree that the driver of the car that struck that poor girl is almost irrelevant. Anyone could have been the unfortunate driver that hit her, through no fault of their own.
The rapists had already sealed her fate when they dumped her out on a roadway in her condition. They had to know this was a possibility and they didn’t care.
The rapists had already sealed her fate when they dumped her out on a roadway in her condition. They had to know this was a possibility and they didn’t care.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:04 pm to HodsonTiger13
They have that trash bond? Yeh let’s let rapist free on the street.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:08 pm to redstickrick
Yes. If upgraded to First Degree a jury could come back with lesser jury.
IF they recorded the rape = video voyeurism is a crime.
There also looks to be kidnapping.
Manslaughter could be charged but given the time and distance from her being dropped off to run over it'd be tough to stick.
Victims past sexual behavior isn't admissible at trial. No victim blaming allowed based on reputation.
The defendants' past behavior - other crimes - may be if it shows a pattern. There's allegations online of previous rape by one of the perps. The victim there could possibly be allowed to testify in this trial but it'd be to show m.o. - not that he's just a bad guy.
More the perps are charged with the more likely the perps are to do serious time.
At some point, one may 'flip' to get a better deal and testify against the others. Can see that happening already with the affidavit basically saying, "She was super drunk and I told them it was a bad idea...."
IF they recorded the rape = video voyeurism is a crime.
There also looks to be kidnapping.
Manslaughter could be charged but given the time and distance from her being dropped off to run over it'd be tough to stick.
Victims past sexual behavior isn't admissible at trial. No victim blaming allowed based on reputation.
The defendants' past behavior - other crimes - may be if it shows a pattern. There's allegations online of previous rape by one of the perps. The victim there could possibly be allowed to testify in this trial but it'd be to show m.o. - not that he's just a bad guy.
More the perps are charged with the more likely the perps are to do serious time.
At some point, one may 'flip' to get a better deal and testify against the others. Can see that happening already with the affidavit basically saying, "She was super drunk and I told them it was a bad idea...."
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:13 pm to HodsonTiger13
pretty likely that the carver guy agrees to testify against the other two. The juvenile (LOL) is another story I assume he will be tried separately
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:14 pm to tigafan4life
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They have that trash bond? Yeh let’s let rapist free on the street.
Those were the two that were principals to the act, not the perpetrators of the act.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:17 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Those were the two that were principals to the act(s),
should get charged twice for two acts.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:18 pm to tigerskin
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This is 2nd time I have read about previous assaults from Kaivon that were ignored.
And then does anal rape this time?
He will be getting the most severe sentence.
He's an 18 year old black man in 2023. I wouldn't expect anything more than 6 months or so.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:19 pm to JudgeHolden
So these guys came to her assistance because she couldn’t sit on a stool without falling off, helped her to their car, and then almost immediately raped her. Then discarded her with NO regard for her well-being. None of this is disputable so it should be very easy for Hillar Moore to get life without.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:24 pm to USMEagles
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It's not irrelevant to rape trials in general. If there is any question of fact around consent, a chaste woman is much less likely to be lying than a promiscuous one. It's not plausible that a chaste woman would screw the UPS guy on her back porch and then cry rape when caught. It's more plausible a promiscuous woman would consent to this act and then lie.
If you have to use your concealed carry permit to defend yourself in public and get sued, should prosecution have the right to know every time you've handled a firearm and argue that you were too eager to use one?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:24 pm to JudgeHolden
I think the family would sit through the video (difficult as it would be) if it meant the difference in these guys serving a few years and being put away for a long time.
I know I would.
I know I would.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:24 pm to Dire Wolf
“The College Democrats of LSU” can blame the clowns of their own political party who have enabled this crime boom due to their soft on crime policies. Don’t want to hear shite from Democrats regarding crime, this is what their trash party stands for.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:29 pm to Chef Curry
I used to be a Democrat. Now I'm not
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:29 pm to JudgeHolden
So their lawyer says they have cell phone video of the acts in the car?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:32 pm to Ingeniero
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d lawyer was dead wrong and made it even worse for these thugs
Any chance this messes up the case against them ?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:33 pm to LaBR4
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So their lawyer says they have cell phone video of the acts in the car?
we know there's video. i've read its not of the acts though. or at least the videos that came forth thus far.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:34 pm to tigafan4life
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They have that trash bond? Yeh let’s let rapist free on the street.
The Eight Amendment says hello.
These are the bail considerations in Louisiana.
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The amount of bail shall be fixed in an amount that will ensure the presence of the defendant, as required, and the safety of any other person and the community, having regard to:
(1) The seriousness of the offense charged, including but not limited to whether the offense is a crime of violence or involves a controlled dangerous substance.
(2) The weight of the evidence against the defendant.
(3) The previous criminal record of the defendant.
(4) The ability of the defendant to give bail.
(5) The nature and seriousness of the danger to any other person or the community that would be posed by the defendant's release.
(6) The defendant's voluntary participation in a pretrial drug testing program.
(7) The absence or presence in the defendant of any controlled dangerous substance.
(8) Whether the defendant is currently out on a bail undertaking on a previous felony arrest for which he is awaiting institution of prosecution, arraignment, trial, or sentencing.
(9) Any other circumstances affecting the probability of defendant's appearance.
(10) The type or form of bail.
These guys likely have no priors, and none of them are a flight risk.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:39 pm to Chad504boy
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we know there's video. i've read its not of the acts though. or at least the videos that came forth thus far.
oh ok, yeah interesting if there is more video other than just the surveillance video from the bar
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:40 pm to JudgeHolden
This entire case is extremely unsettling. I know its stating the extreme obvious but it is literally gut wrenching to have to sort through these events and this be the last moments of your daughter's life. What kind of state could she have possibly been in when 15-30 minutes later of having 2 trash ball dudes rape you in the back of a car with 2 other trash balls watching, you are somehow standing in the middle of a dark highway at 2:50 am. Very sad.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:44 pm to Chad504boy
Terrible situation severely intoxicated, sexually assaulted, probably scared as hell. They will get what they deserve. Oh and I get that defense attorney is just trying to do his job, but frick him too.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:47 pm to Broyota2
Can only hope all of these shitwads spend the majority of their lives in Angola getting the worst treatment from whatever hierarchy exists inside those walls amongst the population.
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